being the Calm Down guy isn’t my usual thing but people insist on conflating their own sense of how badly the debate went for Biden (it was bad!) with actual voters in the real world who were sincerely going to vote for Biden and changed their mind last night.
Trump didn’t get much push back from Biden or the moderators for saying “finish the job” about Gaza, but hopefully that soundbite will stick with people. people should assume that that is his attitude toward everything.
I agree that very few voters will have changed their minds. I think the issue is that in an election that hinges on turnout (i.e. getting your voters pumped up to go vote for you), biden’s performance hurt him. Gotv or die
I think it’s possible that the intense dislike for both candidates means that we have an unusually large number of genuine undecideds for a modern election. Not asserting that as a certainty, but I don’t think “it doesn’t matter, everyone has made up their minds already” is a certainty either.
I saw maybe 2 minutes of it as I entered my kitchen and turned off the TV in there, but I'm more annoyed by the absolute panic response online than by whatever the candidates did. It's just exhausting! I doubt this debate between two totally known quantities swayed anyone.
I've followed you for over a decade and kept telling myself similar things during the debate, but man those first 30 minutes were unlike anything I've ever seen. I suppose I haven't paid enough attention to his speeches of late but that was terrible.