I guess if I could have foreknowledge that this version of the Republican Party would be banished from all subsequent elections if Dems win that would get me pretty hyped, too. They're definitely going to kill a lot of people regardless of outcome, aren't they? This is a huge problem, isn't it?
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I will say if there was ever a year that polling was likely to be wrong it would be this year and 2022. More and more voters don't answer phones, and even when they do, they're skeptical of who is calling them and why. Politics is super fraught right now.
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When polls are saying Biden is up five in Michigan but New York is a battleground and Trump has 40% of the African American vote but Biden has 60% of the elderly, idk man polls are fucked some sort of way. Maybe Biden loses a historic landslide or he’s up by 5 but they’re fucked some sort of way
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I still don't think they've found a good means of polling younger voters. Honestly, I never answer my phone for unknown callers and I know that's super common for Millennials and GenZers alike. Not that that's the only way people are polled.
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At this point I'm just trying to stave off "hunted down like dogs" by an army of Trump appointees. If we fail at that I have to hope for a civil war. Something similar could happen under Biden but the odds are diminished slightly (not that there aren't other problems).
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Yeah, sorry I missed this. I definitely do focus on local politics and vote for alternatives to Dems when it feels politically viable. Hoping we get an opportunity to have ranked choice voting in California, too, at some point. That would massively shift my calculus.
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I generally agree but then we are just doomed. Unless there are options. I haven’t found one that feels viable on left yet nationally outside of their pocket of the Democratic Party. I’m enthusiastic about supporting alternatives, especially at the local level. I frequently vote Green in primaries.
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Ok so what do we do about it then? How do we correct that? If we can’t change it from within because obviously the progressives in Congress have accomplished nothing, what’s next? Total revolution?
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As I've said elsewhere, for me it's an issue of semantics. And maybe it was silly to weigh in with that as my motivation. There have been major inroads for progressives in the Democratic Party since 2016. They do not control it, though, which is a massive issue for policy. I agree.
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Right, I think I've gotten lost in semantics. I generally agree with the above. I just don't want to downplay progressive victories, either.
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Fucking madness. Just absolute wage theft.
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True but were Clinton and Obama's immigration policies appreciably better than Biden's? Sadly, not really. That's one area -- you're right -- both major parties are perfectly fine with scapegoating, which I despise and condemn in all cases.
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No way! Clearly you're a smart person. We all do that differently. But it's just whatever way comes natural for sure.
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I don't disagree massive conservative forces are embedded in the Democratic Party that have major influence and have set things back still, but the idea that they have more power than they did doesn't square w/ evidence. The party was vastly more hostile to the left when Bill Clinton was president.
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I feel like my default status is just a long and arduous debate with my own feelings and misgivings about where we are. Do y'all do that nonstop, too, or is that a "me problem"? Like a tiny court in my head weighing evidence and debating pros and cons, etc.
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You should! We all should! We are accomplishing things! It sucks how much the far right has risen in the last ten years (especially) but we have to keep focusing on what we can control and winning over folks with our positive, hopeful messaging.
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Hell, connecting a candidate to the label "liberal" during the George W Bush era was politically toxic in the early 2000s. I remember how hard Gore and Kerry dodged it.
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People forget that politicians like AOC would have been unthinkable pre 2016.
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Yeah, I'm talking more about the courts / law enforcement, and generally the status quo of the broader American culture. It's never been static, but it seems to have deep sympathies for the framers' rich white male centered take on "democracy" that we still need to disentangle ourselves from.
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Your move, Hemingway
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I don't really agree. There's been a groundswell of progressivism in recent years that's visibly connected to Democrats' winning. It's not what I'd like it to be, but "the Squad" didn't exist before 2018. I'm glad they do now.
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Above all else has it on record that people in our political system are identifying their corruption. The Court as it is currently oriented deserves to lose the public trust and can no longer be relied upon to judiciously respond to questions about the law.
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We get voters active and out there, we win. That's the game, folks.
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The two most realistic ways of changing that system are somehow from within, which will require at least some incrementalism as we've seen, or a revolution, which will be terrible for the people most of the left says they care about -- the already marginalized -- and bad for everyone.
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Furthermore, America is, institutionally, a deeply conservative country, mainly b/c it's so difficult to make changes to our Constitution, so we have a ton of stuff in it that was last relevant in the 19th century. Ergo, imposing leftist policies on this system will continue to be an uphill battle.
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I mean not to be too Pollyanna in what is absolutely a terrible situation for Democrats but FiveThiryEight hasn't shifted much related to the party favored to win Congress: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generi...
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This was literally yesterday: www.theguardian.com/us-news/arti...
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Yeah but I think Harris will do a lot more, so maybe best case is he wins in the short term and then dies or is incapacitated? I don't think he'll leave willingly, unfortunately.
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True, it's why I called Biden the second worst *realistic* option of 2020 (and no, despite money spent Bloomberg was never realistic, neither was Gabbard), his unwillingness to disrupt the status quo to deal with the fascist threat. It was like having Robert Mueller as president in a lot of ways.
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Like, oh it was an effective business model before when employers were essentially stealing from their employees by not paying them enough to get by? A woman in your article who worked full time couldn’t afford her cellphone bill until she got this raise? Wtf
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Do you expect to continue to retain credibility when your framing of this issue is wildly misleading at best?
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All the better to control us and aggregate power in the hands of the few.
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