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John Scalzi@scalzi.com |
A thing that's always surprising to me is how many techbros think they can nuance their way through Nazis. Pro trip: You can't nuance your way through Nazis. There's no nuance in Nazis. What's more, you're (probably) not the fucking US government. You don't *have* to nuance the Nazis. So just don't.
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@arridgewills.bsky.social
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I mean, it's very clear how demonetising Nazis will make it worse because... hang on, say what now?
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25thcenturygirl
@25thcenturygirl.bsky.social
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The don't seem to care.
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Simply Ed
@gojira65.bsky.social
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It's easier when the Nazis are making money for the platform.
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Matthew M Foster
@fosteronfilm.bsky.social
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This isn't surprising. It's the expected response.
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One Who Walks Among the Dead
@anubisthejackal.bsky.social
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Also, the Nazis are MAYBE 20% of your user base. What are you even doing? Why are business people terrible at math?
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Gareth-Michael Skarka
@gmskarka.bsky.social
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Techbros think they can nuance their way through ANYTHING. The sad result of a lifetime of thinking they're the smartest in the room (and often being treated as if they were).
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The Babe with the Power 🇺🇸🇲🇽
@babewiththepower.bsky.social
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This is (part of) why things are the way they are. Giving a zillion chances to all the people you shouldn't.
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Philip the Italic
@fernmonkey.bsky.social
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The nuance is "No. Get out."
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Jay Rigdon
@jayrigdon.bsky.social
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It's wild that businesses take stances where the only downside is maybe losing business from the worst possible people while definitely losing business from the rest of society
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Hotspur Ron Moskovitz
@hotspur.bsky.social
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Watching some current nonsense going down in the chess world, it's become apparent to me that a lot of people just want an algorithm to make their decisions for them. "If X and Y, then banned, if not, then you have to allow it," as opposed to human judgment and discretion.
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WordsmithofSol
@wordsmithofsol.bsky.social
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"We're in the business of killilng Nazis, and cousin, business is a-boomin." Answer: intense public shame. Anytime a nazi shows up, be nice, but call them a nazi. Repeatedly. And increasingly louder with each repetition. Until they go away. Cause Nazis are fucking evil.
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Jessica (not Jess)
@jessicapfitzer.bsky.social
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Proud to say I literally have zero to do with substack because I'm already failing (not really trying hard) to keep up with Bluesky, Threads, Insta, Quora, Reddit, Facebook and TikTok. Meanwhile Pinterest keeps pushing notifications I just swipe away 😅
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Goran
@jovanovicg.com
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There are people and human rights and there are nazis. No rights.
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Yamazuya
@yamazuya.bsky.social
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"censorship doesn't make the problem go away" YES IT DOES. Deplatforming works. Starve the fuckers out of attention!
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@datafox.bsky.social
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Line must go up.
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@hapchem.bsky.social
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It's not a question of allowing them to speak - you don't have the power to silence them. The question is whether you choose to host them and broadcast their messages to others. Choosing to host Nazis implies that their messages are OK and their behavior to others is insufficient to evict them.
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Rie Merritt
@justrie.bsky.social
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So is Substack a Nazi bar now?
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one.
Then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now."
www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromY...
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Baj Mihal
@bajmihal.bsky.social
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They are nuancing their way through making money from the nazis. And they will never stop as long as it is profitable.
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Luke M.
@geekelite.bsky.social
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I don't believe they think they can "nuance their way through Nazis"; I genuinely think they just don't care and prioritize profit over people at every turn. Hamish doesn't give a fuck about freedom of discourse. He just sees dollar signs in the outrage.
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Asmadi Games (Chris)
@asmadigames.bsky.social
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It surprises me very little at this point. These techbro types are so incredibly arrogant about libtertarianism saving the world. Because if something sounds right after 5 seconds with zero introspection, reasoning, or nuance, it must be perfect!
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SnarkyHumanist
@snarkyhumanist.bsky.social
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Yeah, I just deleted my Substack account. Christ it's getting harder to live my values. :(
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Mignon Fogarty
@grammargirl.bsky.social
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I had been wondering if they had responded to this yet. Their response 100% reaffirms the decision I've made multiple times to not publish a newsletter on their platform (for this very reason).
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Suzanne she/her
@drsuzanne.bsky.social
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This is accurate. The original announcement is absolute garbage.
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joqatana
@joqatana.bsky.social
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Nazis don’t even know what nuance is.
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Think. It. Through. 🙅♂️
@cfaller96.bsky.social
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The comments on that post convinced me to leave. A *lot* of writers are very happy that the nazis are staying! They are not being coy! This is Substack telling us who they are, writers included, and I believe them.
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surlyone he/him don't assume I am straight OR white
@surlyone.bsky.social
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"some guy" got kicked off the other site for posting this
( for the purposes of moderation and TOS I am affirming this is "humorous hyperbole" and not an actual call to delay violence)
#thatsmystoryandimstickingtoit
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Dorri732
@dorri732.bsky.social
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There's really only about two steps between "allowing Nazis" and "only hosting Nazis" but that seems to be one step too many for these guys to think ahead.
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Jonathan
@jginsburg.bsky.social
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Even if you are the US gov, you can just bomb them, worked before
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Are You Being Detained
@sailbarque.bsky.social
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A thing that hasn't surprised me is how many techbros are Nazis.
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Common or Garden Variety Emma
@emmavaria.bsky.social
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"The only way to make Nazis go away is to give them a platform. Taking away their platform just makes them MORE Nazi." I'm bewildered every time I hear this assertion and this is not the first time I've been bewildered.
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Summermellon
@rothermellon.bsky.social
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Welp That's it for me on substack, then, until they get their properties out of their fucking techbro asses....
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Billy
@chbillaal.bsky.social
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The issue is that the backlash is going to further their delusion that they are acting as ‘the last bastions of free speech’, they’re going to end up thinking their public death is noble
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Redregon
@redregon.bsky.social
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I wonder how comfortable advertisers and other business partners of theirs will be with this move.
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รђครђเ ๓๏ђคภ
@stony3k.bsky.social
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See also Paradox of Tolerance
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@zendao42
@zendao42.bsky.social
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No nuances for bigots, no negotiating with terrorists
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Karl Guzzman
@karlguzzman.bsky.social
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Free speech extremism is such a naive position to hold.
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The Angry Old Geek
@angryoldgeek.bsky.social
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Welp, glad I never followed the non-NAZI celebrities there.
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Jeff
@bluedoor.bsky.social
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I wonder if substack would be willing to go "full disclosure" and put a swastika on their home page? You know, just to let the Nazis know they have a safe place.
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orangerful
@orangerful.bsky.social
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You know, I was just wondering if I should focus on my substack or my wordpress blog (not that I get any $$ out of them) but I'd rather not drive traffic to a site that is like "eh, it's fine though" when it comes to horrible humans spreading the word of horribleness.
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Charles Dainoff
@charlesdainoff.bsky.social
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But they really, really like money
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