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โ€œLess sleazy version of Jared Leto,โ€ according to Xitter. Crazy liberal. Loves data, info, facts, and logic. He/him. ๐Ÿ™…โ€โ™‚๏ธ= Iโ€™m extremely disgusted with Biden and Iโ€™m withdrawing my presidential vote, but Iโ€™m voting all D downballot bc Iโ€™m not a psycho.


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Well, I disagreed with Biden on some of his premises, but he didnโ€™t seem bad. He was cranky and defensive and had some bad answers, but he was audible and cogent. Hereโ€™s hoping that continues, and that it reassures voters.

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I agree but letโ€™s not kid ourselves- thatโ€™s a leap of faith. FWIW I suck at political leaps of faith, but whatev I still take them.

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A bowl?

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Biden opposes expanding the court. Yes, even post Shelby, post Dobbs, post Immunity, post Chevron, post etc. I am ๐Ÿ’ฏon board denying Trump & Rs power. I am absolutely opposed to pretending Joe Biden is anything other than an octogenarian centrist. He ainโ€™t gonna reform jack shit.

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Iโ€™m more disturbed that he seemed not interested in hearing that his campaign might be in trouble.

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Heโ€™ll get beat up for his โ€œas long as we did our bestโ€ comment, and ok fine. I gritted my teeth when he said it, but whatever, criticizing that really *does* deserve an โ€˜orange man badโ€™ response. His refusal to acknowledge heโ€™s in trouble, however, is Not Great. Status quo isnโ€™t going to win, IMO.

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what are we doing here? he accidentally said million instead of billion and then immediately knew it and corrected himself. he didnโ€™t โ€œflub a lineโ€ and then โ€œmake an effort to correct himself,โ€ he did the speaking equivalent of a typo that you know youโ€™ve made and instantly correct

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I live in Charleston SC. My presidential vote doesnโ€™t matter, and you donโ€™t fucking listen. Fuck off asshole.

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You didnโ€™t read the whole bio, did you? There are races other than the presidency where my vote might theoretically have an impact, and Iโ€™m not fucking around on that. But Iโ€™m also not going to pull the lever for sponsoring a genocide. Get over yourself and your anger, Iโ€™m not the enemy.

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Yep, this ainโ€™t the fault of rando lefties, and rando lefties arenโ€™t the ones wetting the bed.

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Go ask them, not me. My concerns are different than theirs.

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Uh huh.

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Yes. The centrists are getting scared. His core supporters, not people who โ€œdonโ€™t want him to win.โ€ Thatโ€™s just anger talking, and we need everyone to get to acceptance ASAP.

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โ€œInterviewsโ€ Oh? Since the debate? (Narrator: no.) Oh, well then he still has yet to do that. As I said. IMO debate leapt us from โ€˜bullshit rw talking pointโ€™ to โ€˜legitimate question.โ€™ He has to address concerns raised from the debate, and โ€œhe had a bad nightโ€ is dishonest and insufficient.

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Centrists are the ones expressing the concern, my guy. IDGAF what that live polling says, because itโ€™s irrelevant to identifying who is alarmed. Biden has to genuinely reassure the core of his support that he can still do the job. โ€œPeople who want him to loseโ€ are *NOT* the ones wetting the bed.

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Utter bullshit. The concerns are coming from vulnerable Dem pols, centrist donors, and loyal D voters. The concerns are coming from his *core of supporters*. Get past the Anger phase.

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Right, so after all that, I think you just plain donโ€™t want anyone to talk about the gerontocracy, ever. Despite multiple opportunities, you declined to suggest a way to discuss the gerontocracy without being accused (by you and others) of ageism. You have no room in your mind for the gerontocracy.

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In the year 2024, people discussing ageism while shouting down gerontocracy talkโ€ฆare people who are in denial about decline. Decline hits us all, inevitably, and โ€œmanaging your ageโ€ is good. Pres Biden is declining, IMO. Expressing concern that 70/80 somethings refuse to let go is not ageism, IMO.

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Iโ€™m 50.

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Fair. I disagree that immediately responding with the gerontocracy is an example of ageism, which is how you started. I believe that discussing the gerontocracy inevitably leads to ageism accusations no matter what. So I just ignore the accusations and keep talking about ending the gerontocracy.

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Ok, and how does the gerontocracy relate to all that? And again, how do you suggest people discuss the gerontocracy without being perceived as ageist?

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Truly bizarre thinking. What *are* the โ€œsidesโ€ to 9/11, other than America and al-Qaeda (and its Saudi Family backers)? I wish that was the follow up.

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We agree both exist, but I think people touchy about ageism are in denial about the inevitability of decline. Regardless, circling back to my original- how should we discuss ending gerontocracy w/o being perceived as ageist? We can at least mention it when someone discusses ageism in America, yes?

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Technically, they donโ€™t โ€œhave to,โ€ no. But letโ€™s be real- if polls consistently* show American people have lost faith in Joeโ€™s ability, then he should resign- he hasnโ€™t killed the old age narrative, that narrative will lose the election, and besides, we deserve a capable President. *big if

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Thatโ€™s a flawed hypothetical, because gerontocracy is BAD. A majority of asian people being accepted to Ivy Leagues is not, AFAICT. If you think a gerontocracy is the equivalent of some other good/harmless thing, then we have nothing to discuss.

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Perhaps I am misreading this, and you would like to clarify?

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Perhaps, but IMO pushing continues unless/until Biden campaign *genuinely* reassures everyone that heโ€™s fine. The concern is legitimate after Thursday, and โ€œhe had a bad night, just trust usโ€ is no longer valid. Again- the concern is legitimate, and Biden has to address it. IMO he canโ€™t, but YMMV.

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โ€œIf it hasnโ€™t worked yet, why think it will?โ€ โ€” Because the polls wonโ€™t validate him staying in, and it takes time to demonstrate that (unfortunately). There are only so many times you can dismiss polls that clearly and repeatedly say โ€œno, Americans donโ€™t think youโ€™re up for another 4 years.โ€

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Plausible, but I think youโ€™re wrong. I think a bunch of the media and donor class panicked, and are still panicking. I donโ€™t think those groups are reassured, for good reason. I donโ€™t think theyโ€™re just trying to save face. I think everyone is still alarmed and not feeling good abt Bidenโ€™s chances.

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Hooray, the โ€œcalm downโ€ columnist has weighed in.

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You *are* arguing that bringing up gerontocracy first is ageist, though. How would you suggest everyone discuss the very real gerontocracy problem?

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Counterpoint: America is aging, and tensions are rising between the cryptkeepers refusing to let go of power, and everyone else (who then get accused of ageism). I am genuinely curious if OP thinks there is a perfect way to deal with dementia & our gerontocracy *without* appearing ageist.

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Itโ€™s interesting that American, British, French and many other countries have politics that are so different and yet share a common link that centrists really arenโ€™t that concerned about far right fascists taking over

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If he *had* done that, then probably. He didnโ€™t. I said the next few weeks would corroborate either a bad night or decline. And, well, a couple days of silence, a single interview scheduled days later, and various other bits (eg Biden negotiating bedtime), signal to me the decline is real.

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โ€œheโ€™s done a handfulโ€ โ€” Live *and* unscripted. Sorry, but everyone needs to see him do more than read off a teleprompter to applause. And it has to be current, because decline is irreversible and yesterday is gone. He has an interview 7 days later, and thatโ€™s it. The dog isnโ€™t barking bc it canโ€™t.

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The Stages of Grief explains a lot: 1. Denial: he had a bad night 2. Anger: the media wonโ€™t stop the โ€˜Biden is oldโ€™ stories 3. Bargaining: nothing after 8 pm, light travel, no unscripted events 4. Depression: Trump has immunity, and Bidenโ€™s literally asleep 5. Acceptance: fine, Kamala, whatever

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Reality is saying it. His near absence of live/unscripted events, not just last six months but *especially* in the week plus since debate, is the dog that isnโ€™t barking. He & campaign should frantically be doing all sorts of live events to counter & create a new narrative. Yet thatโ€™s not happening.

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NYT et al donโ€™t act in good faith, granted. But. Decline affects *everything*. Itโ€™s not either/or, Biden is affected as President and as presidential candidate. 25th Amendment does apply, just not literally to the campaign. I have trouble believing โ€œhe canโ€™t do live events, but he can do Gaza.โ€

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IMO the Biden 24 vibes are the same vibes as Bush-Kerry 04. The narrative was โ€œwell, the truck [Iraq occupation] is in the ditch, should we get a new driver or โ€˜stay the courseโ€™ with the driver that put us in the ditch?โ€ Ds insisting on staying the course need to take a breath and think.

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Itโ€™s a lazy, insulting, and unimaginative response, but yeah. Regardless of the unfairness*, the narrative /has/ set in and itโ€™s clear the candidate, the campaign, and the President has no realistic response. *every D candidate has legit beefs, my fav Warren was a hysterical schoolmarm or somesuch

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Give em Florida, let them figure out climate change with their own skin in the game.

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Jesus that pic. Just wear lederhosen, kids, lean into it.

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I am not saying itโ€™s fair, but I am saying itโ€™s been known for years how cons and the media behave during elections. The campaign did not take seriously the issue of Bidenโ€™s age, *because* it was coming from cons. They were fools. And if all they have is โ€œmoar orange man bad,โ€ then letโ€™s go Harris.

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The United States legal system is more broken and corrupt than ((checks notes)) BRAZIL. Seems bad.

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Hey look. I guess the president in Brazil doesn't get immunity. How can the country possibly function?

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Every day proves Thaddeus Stevens right: there should've been big Nuremberg-style public trials of leading Confederates, accompanied by seizures of the assets of all pro-Confederate large landowners and businessmen, which should then have been distributed to freed slaves as compensation.

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FWIW the last 12-18 months were a lot of lies from the Biden Admin. I am really fascinated/horrified that partisans think relativism about age & lying is going to land well. Yes, Trump is senile and dishonest and generally worse, obviously. But the sitting president struggling with age is bad news!

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โ€œBiden also made a joke to the governors that didnโ€™t go over well: โ€œIโ€™m fine โ€” I donโ€™t know about my brain, though.โ€ Jen Oโ€™Malley Dillon, Bidenโ€™s campaign chairwoman, said the president was โ€œclearly making a joke and then said, โ€˜All kidding aside.โ€™โ€ โ€” He was *not* joking about the 8 pm bedtime plan.

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Reread the article.

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2 am phone calls will go unanswered because Biden is literally asleep. Itโ€™s over. Even when they try to mitigate the damage, they make it worse. Because decline is permanent and irreversible. They canโ€™t โ€œrev him upโ€ to his previous state. He actually *is* too old to do the job, and that sucks.

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