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what are we doing here? he accidentally said million instead of billion and then immediately knew it and corrected himself. he didnโt โflub a lineโ and then โmake an effort to correct himself,โ he did the speaking equivalent of a typo that you know youโve made and instantly correct
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I live in Charleston SC. My presidential vote doesnโt matter, and you donโt fucking listen. Fuck off asshole.
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You didnโt read the whole bio, did you? There are races other than the presidency where my vote might theoretically have an impact, and Iโm not fucking around on that. But Iโm also not going to pull the lever for sponsoring a genocide.
Get over yourself and your anger, Iโm not the enemy.
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Yep, this ainโt the fault of rando lefties, and rando lefties arenโt the ones wetting the bed.
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Go ask them, not me. My concerns are different than theirs.
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Uh huh.
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Yes. The centrists are getting scared. His core supporters, not people who โdonโt want him to win.โ Thatโs just anger talking, and we need everyone to get to acceptance ASAP.
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Oh? Since the debate?
(Narrator: no.)
Oh, well then he still has yet to do that. As I said.
IMO debate leapt us from โbullshit rw talking pointโ to โlegitimate question.โ He has to address concerns raised from the debate, and โhe had a bad nightโ is dishonest and insufficient.
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Centrists are the ones expressing the concern, my guy. IDGAF what that live polling says, because itโs irrelevant to identifying who is alarmed.
Biden has to genuinely reassure the core of his support that he can still do the job. โPeople who want him to loseโ are *NOT* the ones wetting the bed.
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Utter bullshit. The concerns are coming from vulnerable Dem pols, centrist donors, and loyal D voters. The concerns are coming from his *core of supporters*.
Get past the Anger phase.
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Right, so after all that, I think you just plain donโt want anyone to talk about the gerontocracy, ever. Despite multiple opportunities, you declined to suggest a way to discuss the gerontocracy without being accused (by you and others) of ageism.
You have no room in your mind for the gerontocracy.
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In the year 2024, people discussing ageism while shouting down gerontocracy talkโฆare people who are in denial about decline. Decline hits us all, inevitably, and โmanaging your ageโ is good. Pres Biden is declining, IMO.
Expressing concern that 70/80 somethings refuse to let go is not ageism, IMO.
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Iโm 50.
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Fair. I disagree that immediately responding with the gerontocracy is an example of ageism, which is how you started.
I believe that discussing the gerontocracy inevitably leads to ageism accusations no matter what. So I just ignore the accusations and keep talking about ending the gerontocracy.
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Ok, and how does the gerontocracy relate to all that? And again, how do you suggest people discuss the gerontocracy without being perceived as ageist?
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Truly bizarre thinking. What *are* the โsidesโ to 9/11, other than America and al-Qaeda (and its Saudi Family backers)? I wish that was the follow up.
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We agree both exist, but I think people touchy about ageism are in denial about the inevitability of decline.
Regardless, circling back to my original- how should we discuss ending gerontocracy w/o being perceived as ageist? We can at least mention it when someone discusses ageism in America, yes?
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Technically, they donโt โhave to,โ no.
But letโs be real- if polls consistently* show American people have lost faith in Joeโs ability, then he should resign- he hasnโt killed the old age narrative, that narrative will lose the election, and besides, we deserve a capable President.
*big if
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Thatโs a flawed hypothetical, because gerontocracy is BAD. A majority of asian people being accepted to Ivy Leagues is not, AFAICT.
If you think a gerontocracy is the equivalent of some other good/harmless thing, then we have nothing to discuss.
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Perhaps I am misreading this, and you would like to clarify?
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Perhaps, but IMO pushing continues unless/until Biden campaign *genuinely* reassures everyone that heโs fine. The concern is legitimate after Thursday, and โhe had a bad night, just trust usโ is no longer valid.
Again- the concern is legitimate, and Biden has to address it. IMO he canโt, but YMMV.
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โIf it hasnโt worked yet, why think it will?โ
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Because the polls wonโt validate him staying in, and it takes time to demonstrate that (unfortunately).
There are only so many times you can dismiss polls that clearly and repeatedly say โno, Americans donโt think youโre up for another 4 years.โ
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Plausible, but I think youโre wrong. I think a bunch of the media and donor class panicked, and are still panicking. I donโt think those groups are reassured, for good reason. I donโt think theyโre just trying to save face. I think everyone is still alarmed and not feeling good abt Bidenโs chances.
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Hooray, the โcalm downโ columnist has weighed in.
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You *are* arguing that bringing up gerontocracy first is ageist, though. How would you suggest everyone discuss the very real gerontocracy problem?
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Counterpoint: America is aging, and tensions are rising between the cryptkeepers refusing to let go of power, and everyone else (who then get accused of ageism).
I am genuinely curious if OP thinks there is a perfect way to deal with dementia & our gerontocracy *without* appearing ageist.
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Itโs interesting that American, British, French and many other countries have politics that are so different and yet share a common link that centrists really arenโt that concerned about far right fascists taking over
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If he *had* done that, then probably. He didnโt.
I said the next few weeks would corroborate either a bad night or decline. And, well, a couple days of silence, a single interview scheduled days later, and various other bits (eg Biden negotiating bedtime), signal to me the decline is real.
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โheโs done a handfulโ
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Live *and* unscripted. Sorry, but everyone needs to see him do more than read off a teleprompter to applause. And it has to be current, because decline is irreversible and yesterday is gone.
He has an interview 7 days later, and thatโs it. The dog isnโt barking bc it canโt.
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The Stages of Grief explains a lot:
1. Denial: he had a bad night
2. Anger: the media wonโt stop the โBiden is oldโ stories
3. Bargaining: nothing after 8 pm, light travel, no unscripted events
4. Depression: Trump has immunity, and Bidenโs literally asleep
5. Acceptance: fine, Kamala, whatever
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Reality is saying it. His near absence of live/unscripted events, not just last six months but *especially* in the week plus since debate, is the dog that isnโt barking.
He & campaign should frantically be doing all sorts of live events to counter & create a new narrative. Yet thatโs not happening.
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NYT et al donโt act in good faith, granted. But.
Decline affects *everything*. Itโs not either/or, Biden is affected as President and as presidential candidate. 25th Amendment does apply, just not literally to the campaign.
I have trouble believing โhe canโt do live events, but he can do Gaza.โ
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IMO the Biden 24 vibes are the same vibes as Bush-Kerry 04. The narrative was โwell, the truck [Iraq occupation] is in the ditch, should we get a new driver or โstay the courseโ with the driver that put us in the ditch?โ
Ds insisting on staying the course need to take a breath and think.
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Itโs a lazy, insulting, and unimaginative response, but yeah.
Regardless of the unfairness*, the narrative /has/ set in and itโs clear the candidate, the campaign, and the President has no realistic response.
*every D candidate has legit beefs, my fav Warren was a hysterical schoolmarm or somesuch
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Give em Florida, let them figure out climate change with their own skin in the game.
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Jesus that pic. Just wear lederhosen, kids, lean into it.
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I am not saying itโs fair, but I am saying itโs been known for years how cons and the media behave during elections. The campaign did not take seriously the issue of Bidenโs age, *because* it was coming from cons. They were fools. And if all they have is โmoar orange man bad,โ then letโs go Harris.
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The United States legal system is more broken and corrupt than ((checks notes)) BRAZIL. Seems bad.
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Hey look. I guess the president in Brazil doesn't get immunity. How can the country possibly function?
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Every day proves Thaddeus Stevens right: there should've been big Nuremberg-style public trials of leading Confederates, accompanied by seizures of the assets of all pro-Confederate large landowners and businessmen, which should then have been distributed to freed slaves as compensation.
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FWIW the last 12-18 months were a lot of lies from the Biden Admin. I am really fascinated/horrified that partisans think relativism about age & lying is going to land well. Yes, Trump is senile and dishonest and generally worse, obviously. But the sitting president struggling with age is bad news!
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โBiden also made a joke to the governors that didnโt go over well: โIโm fine โ I donโt know about my brain, though.โ Jen OโMalley Dillon, Bidenโs campaign chairwoman, said the president was โclearly making a joke and then said, โAll kidding aside.โโ
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He was *not* joking about the 8 pm bedtime plan.
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Reread the article.
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2 am phone calls will go unanswered because Biden is literally asleep.
Itโs over. Even when they try to mitigate the damage, they make it worse. Because decline is permanent and irreversible. They canโt โrev him upโ to his previous state. He actually *is* too old to do the job, and that sucks.
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