the implied premise here is that the decline in Biden’s polling numbers is being driven by the media coverage rather than the debate itself. but several awful polls came in the days immediately following the debate. the debate itself was the problem
The only polls I saw either didn't change or only dropped within the margin of error. It's far enough away from election day that it's barely different from random noise. Obama saw a bigger drop after his first debate in 2012. Where was the party calling for him to drop out then?
Thank you. It was HIS fucking performance. I agree most of the pundits are shitheads who called us all ageist POS 6 months ago, but Biden ultimately fucked his. They buck stops there.
I stand by what I said the night of:
I would vote for Biden over Trump even if his staff were doing a Weekend at Bernie’s with him.
The debate made me think they’re inclined to test that
But that's really hard to disentangle from the center left elite media collectively freaking out and calling for Biden's withdrawal immediately after the debate.
Never had a chance to divorce debate effects from renewed and fresh calls among Dems for him to step down save one reaction poll. IMO the calls are the root cause of the frenzy. Massive lack of message discipline trying to relitigate the nomination via the press.
All my friends have the same story—freaking out within the first 15 minutes or so. No media narrative needed to reach our own conclusions. A text convo a friend started with me. See the time stamp:
But the media coverage also immediately followed the debate. Not sure which is the bigger driver, but I know I personally didn’t start freaking out until I saw NYT calling for Biden to drop out