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Jared Yates Sexton@jysexton.bsky.social |
In researching the next book a trauma expert told me offhandedly she believed most political issues and controversies came down to an argument over whether kids and young people should suffer the same abuse as the previous generation and boy oh boy is that on my mind a lot recently.
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Kirk Murphy
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That characterizes so much of the destructive and all too often deadly (for patients and clinicians) culture of medical and especially surgical education and training spawned a century ago by cocaine addicted Halsted at Johns Hopkins.
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@rogerman99.bsky.social
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Beating your kids is acceptable discipline for people who have an authoritarian mindset. Authoritarian mindsets are generally conservative voters politically.
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Anders Veiteberg
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except when the political issues are about bombing foreign countries. trauma is apparently only for white people…
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Patio
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Smartphones are a symbol of peace! Seriously if you're responsible enough to buy a smartphone, you're responsible enough to buy a flip-phone to "hand down". Follow me!
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Clint Eastwood Gacy
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For a few years I've called this the Four Yorkshiremen Of The Apocalypse. Older people so determined to inflict their "we had it hard" upbringings on their kids that it wrecks the next generation.
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John Whitley
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This applies to a LOT of professional and educational systems as well. "We had to suffer, and so now shall you" is a mighty bit of subtext. (Or just text, if the quiet part is out loud.)
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Diana Morningstar
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They insist the abuse will "build character". Whenever they say they're building character, run! So glad I don't have the "character" they had back in the day.
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Greg
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Hazing theory
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Allison Baker
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So what data are you looking at?
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Mike Caulfield
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You probably know, but that was also sort of George Lakoff's point in a way.
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Al Jourgensen Twink Death
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This has been on my mind a lot lately. I recently realized my dad swallowed and regurgitated “kids are too soft these days” bullshit my whole life because he has childhood trauma of his own he cannot process or acknowledge directly, and by doing so inflicted more trauma on his kids
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RonK, Seattle
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A whole generation once told me offhandedly they believe they're the only generation that came into the world and sat down to a shit sandwich buffet. And then another generation did likewise. And then another. And legends are handed down of still earlier generations uniquely traumatized.
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AdreanaLangston
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The textbook example of an older generation wanting things to be harder for younger generations is #ClarenceThomas x.com/AdreanaInLB/...
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r
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I absolutely believe this based on similar evidence. People who materially benefit from it see it as the immutable natural order of the world.
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Ðavid Þetraitis
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"To the seventh generation" Aren't we about 7 generations from the Civil War?
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Jackie
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All these things get passed down from our elders. It’s generational. We grow up hearing it. It gets embedded in our psyche. Our parents heard it from their parents. We hear it from them. We pass it on to our children. The only way to stop it is to *do the work*. Challenge your beliefs. (1/2)
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@zendarva.bsky.social
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.... you know.... This sums up the entire argument i have with my mother on politics. I want and expect everything to be easier, and more *useful* to my (and your!) children, so they can in turn contribute more, and their children, and... so on. She doesn't.
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"Fuck every cause that ends in murder and children crying."
@nocatsnomasters.bsky.social
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No small amount of my C-PTSD from grade school was born of the idea that abusing me would, somehow, fix me.
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Blake Mitchell
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It explains A LOT, that’s for sure.
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Tucker Lieberman
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I was writing on an example of this theme today.
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@fakehandle.bsky.social
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hurt people hurt people
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Katiesaurus
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I think it's really hard not to inflict your own trauma onto children unless you're aware of it. Otherwise, you just think that's how things are supposed to work.
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@pouncingbullfrog.bsky.social
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I gotta read the book now
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Sinclair Lewis
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It’s autocratic parenting writ large.
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Ed Burmila
@edburmila.bsky.social
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"We turned out fine" OK but here's the thing, did you.
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Alfred Twu
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A frat member once explained to me that frats haze so each year's new members would bond with each other over the experience. Similarly rich guys promote "character building activities" to give boys the chance to learn from challenge, most others already have shared challenges to learn & bond from
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K
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Lots of people have also told me "I was a bad kid. I deserved it. Nothing else would've worked." Sometimes people tell themselves things as protection against knowing that people who were supposed to love and protect them needlessly harmed them instead. They need to believe the world is fair.
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War Hater
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On an individual level I believe this is true but on a more meta level there is a large group at upper levels of hierarchies that believe it is the moral and God given duty to inflict that abuse. Many will do everything to protect their kids but abuse yours.
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Jesse Berney
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especially explicit with student loans
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Jay Marose
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100%
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Sang As It Ever Was
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This is in all things - I've worked a lot with schools on bond funding for improvements, and while taxes are really divisive, so many of the complaints were "I sat in this exact same desk and exact same room built in 1958 and it was good enough for me! It's good enough for them!"
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Sabrina Ricks
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I recently had to really take a stand on this issue. I was raised in horrific circumstances and refused to treat my children how I was. Elderly people are reposting that Andy Griffith meme that just infuriates me! Children deserve respect, just like adults. Just saying.
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TheeCheese
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An awful lot of some folks want this generation suffering like kids did in the 30s and earlier. This is such a shameful way to live and legislate.
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ADK
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Most political issues just come down to disagreements on who deserves to suffer and how
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Nacho Disk
@nachodisk.bsky.social
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all the way back to cain and abel
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ASMEH
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Though about this earlier today. Its also interesting how the best way to teach kids, criminals, women and immigrants is by being harsh and abusive. While other groups (men, companies, non-immigrants etc) should be given freedom and support and they will eventually just turn in to saints.
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Kris Wernowsky
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It might seem trite, but there is a trope in standup comedy where mostly male comics say stuff like “you’ve got to beat your kids. My dad hit me and I turned out fine.” And it’s like, no, you didn’t. You’re telling a room full of strangers you want to hit kids because someone hit you.
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