Wasn’t going to wade into discourse on here again yet but let me just say, the jokes and threats (or whatever they are) from U.S. folks of relative privilege about leaving the country give away a lot of how people locate themselves, or rather don’t, in relation to neighbors and community.
Also, optimistic of them to think there’s anywhere safe to move to once America slides into full-blown democradura. Leaving aside that you can’t escape the hegemon’s shadow, have they /seen/ the current political landscape in Canada? The UK? Europe?
I am going to post this again and again as a person who lived in Texas for 30 years:
Find a friend in a red state and ask what you can do to help THEIR elections. Write postcards. Make a donation.
I’m in a safe blue area but will be doing all I can to support Colin Allred and unseat Ted Cruz.
Absolutely, and the same arguments (and underlying psychology) apply to all the people casually arguing for people to flee "red states" for "blue states"
Trans ppl with means are discussing fleeing the US because we have all heard exactly what Trump, Charlie Kirk, Matt Walsh et al have planned for us.
Actual threat to the physical safety of you and your family overrides every other consideration.
I am trans. I have exactly one friend who lives within an hours drive. The vast majority of my friendships are online. The only community I have is on Discord. Provided I’m allowed to, I can relocate wherever I can get help.
I've been thinking about this recently. As a trans person with dual citizenship, the political climate is motivating me to get my paperwork together to be able to leave if worst comes to worst. Reminds me of my parents scrambling to get their US citizenships after Bush was elected... Ironic reversal
As a dual citizen, it's always been interesting to me. I might be forced to leave this country I've lived in since 1976, if they strip my citizenship, they deny my trans kid's rights, or I'm simply unable to afford to survive here as a disabled elder. I would vastly prefer my chosen home be livable!
I don't feel like I have support I need to get testosterone safely if it becomes illegal or who o feel would protect me from physical harm. I don't feel like anyone around me takes anything happening seriously enough to do anything like that
I’d say talk to any 20th century historian or 21st century refugee about the complex morality and politics of when and why to flee a repressive regime.
Also, think about the benefits of having those early leavers establishing refugee communities to those forced to flee later.
I mean most people who settled in America are descendants from people who just fled how shitty their country was so this is the most American thing possible
Personally I'm poor and disabled, so there's no way those countries would accept me, but also, I'm Indigenous so this is my home, and if I could leave (unless I went to Mexico maybe) I would still be an Indigenous American and would feel like a fish out of water.
I’m sure other people have already posted about how the rest of the world is also not it, but like, are you a person who looks at the people around you and decides to fight for them, to sustain for them, to build resilience with them, or are you a person who sees yourself/your family as an island?
No other country will take us. Anyone trying to permanently move outside of the US right now, those countries will look at them as leaving due to political reasons and will reject them outright.
Definitely. Also, a profound ignorance of what's going on in the rest of the world. The unforgivable selfishness aside; where do they think they're gonna go?
It also shows how many of them have done zero research on what it takes to emigrate. So many medical conditions designate you as being too much of a burden to accept. And for me to continue as an RN in Canada, I would have to do additional (expensive) education.
I agree. It also turns out that successfully emigrating from the US is a really difficult thing to do. The rest of the world isn't flinging its doors open to immigration. The threat to leave is mostly a wish-fulfilment fantasy.