I will bang this drum forever: in THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FREE: THE GERMANS, 1933-45 Milton Mayer interviewed 10 ordinary Germans after WW2 to learn how fascism took hold. There was never a moment when everyone woke up:
When I was 14, my mom had me read this book, and it still sits on my bookshelf at 28. My parents always believed it could happen here. This conviction was shared by my great-grandparents, who changed our last name before coming to America, fully aware of that reality.
Not exactly. Knew their lives were more restricted. Went along bc jobs, stabilized economy, narrative that Germany wasn't evil, hope. War starting Sept 1939- deeply troubled ppl, but winning & patriotism are convincing. - so said my German relatives who weren't killed 1970s. (My fam- refugees 1938)
So we are really no smarter than the frog in the proverbial pot of water, temperature increasing slowly enough that we do not notice our impending doom.
It is worse: Today (!!) too many germans (mainly east) downplay what happened then, don't want to know. They use fascist language and elect a party (the AfD) that promises a strong leadership and among others expulsion of all foreigners.
History about to repeat itself?
Makes me mad and desperate.
That is absolutely bullshit. Adolf Hitler wrote a book, "Mein Kampf". It was present in millions of german households. The Nazis planned the extermination of Jews, they planned it from the beginning, they planned it in the open, and at one big step: the "Endlösung" (final solution). Everybody knew.
There was also a related, if opposite, reaction from Germans after the war.
As documented in the sociological examination “Opa war kein Nazi” by Welzer et al. and the more personal “Heimat” by Nora Krug, many invented tales of resistance or defiance to tell to their children and grandchildren.
It’s the boiled frog theorem (which by the way was a bogus experiment). As long as things change gradually enough, as long as most people’s lives don’t drastically change, most people will just roll with whatever changes come even if they’re bad.
This has been the hardest thing to realize. I began calling trump a fascist in 2016. I began sharing Neimoller, hoping people would see the similarities. It’s so much worse than I predicted, and still these people don’t see they are not safe just because they’ve chosen the side of the fascists.
One of the things that unfolded for me as I read it was that the interviewees seemed to mostly be those who were pro-Hitler before his rise to power, which made me want to seek out perspectives from other regions like Berlin. I suspect they would be similar but the differences would be enlightening.
Do you know the riddle of the 100 blue-eyed ppl on an island connected to mainland by a daily ferry & the island's only rule is that blue-eyed people must leave on the next ferry but nobody knows their own eye color (presumably one of the island's two only rules bans discussing it) so nobody leaves
The power of complacency is playing out in real time. The normalization of anti-trans hatred, bathroom bills, and more are showing what is said here coming to life here in the US. Those in power move up their oppression slowly. They’re patient and cunning. It’s almost always like that with them.
There is a lot of self serving in these accounts.
They knew. They just were ashamed to say so, after it ended.
They just thought the regime would take care of the labor movement, and finish there.
Anti-Communism was not dishonorable, to them.
Recently saw a documentary on Netflix about some of this. They interviewed Germans. One guy said his parents voted for H**ler because of “unemployment and inflation” and it made my blood run cold. It’s like that analogy about boiling a frog in water.
The problem with America in the 21st Century is that IT totally WOKE up....or at least the putty assed liberal chickenshits did....I wonder how they are going to enjoy life in the Fascist States of Panem?
This is why I know there's no point at which liberals will try something different.
Trump will declare himself god king and they'll still argue rioting is bad and to vote in the midterms, even as he dissolves the senate. And they'll probably LARP as Star Wars characters on Twitter to do it.