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One of the interesting things about the Internet is that we’re actually living through a dark age. Future historians are unlikely to have records of this period.

Paper and ink last. Digital storage, less so.

variety.com/2024/tv/news...

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Taka Hanazawa's avatar Taka Hanazawa @takahanazawa.bsky.social
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I remember my mom telling me as a kid that cassette tapes don't last forever and that at best you could maybe get a few decades out of them. Even as a kid I was struck by the idea that all my favorite songs would be lost forever. That maybe EVERYONE'S favorite songs would be lost forever

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Ellin Stein's avatar Ellin Stein @ellinst.bsky.social
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Exactly! Look how much of what we know of historical and literary figures comes from their correspondence. And who writes letters any more? I can't even open my own emails written on an ancient (5 years +) OS. OTOH, who will be studying history or literature in the future?

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What the duck 's avatar What the duck @chimneyswift.bsky.social
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Physical media or bust (includes hard drives).

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Steamboat Hedgie's avatar Steamboat Hedgie @steamboathedgie.bsky.social
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Thank digital piracy and torrents in particular for fighting against this.

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Phav Nosnibor's avatar Phav Nosnibor @phavnosnibor.bsky.social
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One of these days, we'll properly learn how much work has to go into making digital anything reliably accessible over time. How much of the '90s has effectively vanished now that nobody's browsers support postage-stamp-sized RealMedia or Shockwave video? Who wants to keep transcoding it all?

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JayZero's avatar JayZero @jayzero9.bsky.social
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Mysterious why the company is now in the red. Hey dill holes running things, put the content all back up on Paramount+, you dumb fucks who can't figure out how to keep subscribers interested in the content hosted there, you're subs, they also want to watch that oldie shit as well.

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Jake's avatar Jake @purplepadlock.bsky.social
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the Library of Alexandria is burned down every week on the internet

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Emerence's avatar Emerence @damemyniah.bsky.social
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I attended a lecture by a historian who said the same thing. Emails & texts will be lost.

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Dennis Watson's avatar Dennis Watson @denniswatson.bsky.social
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Like our sources that talk about ancient books that have been lost. We know how many book Tacitus wrote, from other authors discussing which were worth reading, but we don’t have all those books. Future historians will have the various books from this time but not the culture that created them.

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Daniel Abraham's avatar Daniel Abraham @abraham.bsky.social
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On a personal note, I have a file of the story fragments and early juvenilia of my writing from when I was working on a typewriter. The stuff on Mac 3.5 floppies is almost certainly lost.

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Tad Suiter's avatar Tad Suiter @retius.bsky.social
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Yeah, historians have been talking about this for years.

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Christine M.'s avatar Christine M. @christine-m.bsky.social
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And even paper - depending on the type - is prone to decaying after a few centuries if not kept carefully. What remains, will be woefully few scraps. (Modern age hieroglyphs and cuneiform on stone? Hmmm ...) Dark age = lost age.

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Chad Levinson's avatar Chad Levinson @chadlevinson.com
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FWIW, all video formats have similar problems as digital w/r/t long-term preservation and readability. But if you told me there's a film master of the Expanse series in cold storage, I wouldn't be sad about that.

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Chad Levinson's avatar Chad Levinson @chadlevinson.com
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As someone who does research in physical archives, I wish it were so simple. Lots of important paper needs to be rescued from poor storage conditions. The Comedy Central "purge" seems more like an issue of access, not preservation.

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Michael Davidson's avatar Michael Davidson @mikedavidsonbda.bsky.social
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This is why everyone listens to classical music on Star Trek.

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Terri Glass's avatar Terri Glass @grizeldatee.bsky.social
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There are still records, but they are not available online. More like it was in the 20th century. I can’t feel bad about internet content being archived. The rest of us should clean up our files, too. Just how many data centers do we want?

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jace cavacini's avatar jace cavacini @dysamoria.com
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The BBC already made this mistake with Doctor Who and other shows from the 60s. Humans learn, individually, but society sucks at learning and capitalism refuses to.

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I would respect this if it was a protection vs AI scraping

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Tenaj Yecal's avatar Tenaj Yecal @boontonkat.bsky.social
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Another reason why we should be actively supporting those links that lots of us post from, such as Wikki, mother site Wikipedia, & others who are cataloguing & preserving the data 🧐

Send Wikipedia $5, I did & was gratified at their response; tons of people do not, yet utilize it frequently #OurData

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Brax 🇵🇸🕊️'s avatar Brax 🇵🇸🕊️ @soy.braxuss.eu
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This is an exaggeration. Digital storage may fail in time but there are tons of it, some will last and also there are strong efforts to save a lot of digital information for the history, like archive.org or the one of Biblioteca Nacional de España. They are even storing memes.

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Dan Sandler's avatar Dan Sandler @danielsand.bsky.social
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At this point, the only historians are going to be the pirates. I said in another thread, we are going to get to a point when one major studio in a brutally shortsighted decision will pull out of Apple and Amazons storefronts. Entirely. Including for those who already purchased.

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Twopaw (Jospeh Kirlian/Trainee Frostbite/Mafdet Enneada)'s avatar Twopaw (Jospeh Kirlian/Trainee Frostbite/Mafdet Enneada) @twopaw.bsky.social
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"Veteran Doc and former Combat Medic Jameison, piloting 2 tonnes of novel sleeve, designed in modular purpose but now her Acognistak's wolfhome, explained herself kindly to her unmodified human friend: 'The truck between forgetfulness and data failure is the name it bears, no more and rarely less.'"

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Dmitri's avatar Dmitri @momus.bsky.social
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this Variety story doesn’t explicitly mention it, but you can find why this is happening by clicking through the links: Paramount owner Shari Redstone was offered only $2.1 billion instead of $2.5 billion for her shares.

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Cheyenne's avatar Cheyenne @pistachio-pesto.bsky.social
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Horrible

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Janet Lunde's avatar Janet Lunde @janetlunde.bsky.social
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I have black & white family photos from 100 years ago, in paper photo albums that are in perfect condition. Color photos in plastic photo albums from 1980 are a mess. The upgrade from iPhoto to Apple Photo lost 6 months of files and they can’t be recovered.

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Florida Man, PhD's avatar Florida Man, PhD @casusscribere.bsky.social
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These days a digital archive is basically a library stuffed inside of a flophouse built over a sinkhole in the middle of a warzone; the whole thing is constantly degrading and is being actively undermined at every turn, so it takes an uncommon range of skillsets just to keep the thing going.

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Roger Vaillancourt's avatar Roger Vaillancourt @rogerjva.bsky.social
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The internet is written in sand

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HyperSprite's avatar HyperSprite @hypersprite.bsky.social
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I think about all the digital photos and correspondence that are stored in the cloud and how at some point when the owners die the space will be reclaimed and the artifacts that we lived at all will be gone... ...also assuming the post climate disaster world even has computers

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TheDaddyOtaku 🏳️‍🌈🇨🇦 (He/Him/Daddy)'s avatar TheDaddyOtaku 🏳️‍🌈🇨🇦 (He/Him/Daddy) @thedaddyotaku.bsky.social
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"What's a face book?" -The Last of Us: Left Behind

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