There is an American exceptionalism embedded in the idea that y'all think you can just pick up and leave and go wherever you want. It's cute you think you'd be welcomed. Americans aren't exactly popular in the world.
I was in my 30s before I realized my Christian friends put zero thought or research into how they'd leave the country in a pinch, whereas I was raised to do my homework. 4th grade Sunday School curricula involved watching movies about families trading their jewelry for passage across a border.
also it's exhausting to see people constantly going "oh i'll just move to nz".
Cool did you know we had an election last year? And we very much don't have the government you probably think we have?
I vaguely thought about Scotland once, about 30 years back. Grandparents were from there, I had valuable skills, they claimed to be desperate for people... nope, disabled kid. Perhaps if I had quietly drowned my entire family.
Most of the world is as hostile to immigrants as we are, or more so. If these people try to flee elsewhere, they are going to be unpleasantly surprised. Especially if they're disabled or medically interesting in any way, or not quite exactly like the local majority, or... 🧐
I often tell them to try and see how it plays out.
Because, shit, I actually tried emigrating to Canada for work about a decade ago - I didn't make the cut, because my field wasn't in demand (to be fair, coders are a dime a dozen)
Took six months of paperwork and interviews to get a polite decline
Yes. Tho with the caveat that while this /is/ the case, it also /shouldn't/ be. All refugees should always be welcome in every nation, even if here on Earth 1.0 we regularly fall short of that ideal.
Dear privileged white people choosing to be offended: I am the Jewish descendant of Holocaust survivors whose entire family was massacred. I only exist because 2 people managed to flee. I was taught to be prepared to leave since I was born. I'm speaking from *experience*. I want you to see reality.
A fun exercise is to use the immigration score calculator for a place like Canada or New Zealand and see how low you actually score. As someone older than 45, I’m basically disqualified right there.
It's a really strange position to be in considering emigrating. Spouse and I both have recent enough immigrant ancestors and careers such that we could leave, not easily or cheaply, but it's possible.
But even for us it's on the table as a near worst-case scenario.
America and the UK are the worst about it, but I can't think of a single country that doesn't treat refugees and asylum seekers like garbage. If any white Americans are hoping they can get asylum status and be treated special for escaping a fascist hellscape, they should get that same treatment.
I was just thinking about this today. All of it. It’s not like there aren’t immigration laws and that I’m exactly the kind of talent that’s in high demand. “We’ve got enough lawyers, thanks. Ones that were trained in our own legal system even.”
Many of us have researched this & aren't just expecting that "Canada will take us" or that European countries would welcome refugees. I've looked into where there's a shortage in my field and how to get licensed in other countries. I'm just afraid I'll wait too long to accept it if I need to leave.
It's wild how many Americans think they can just pick up and leave when you basically have to be INCREDIBLY wealthy and/or have a specialized skill for another country to take you. People really have no concept of how much the rest of the world fucking hates us.
And also, and I cannot stress this enough, fucking stay and fight, however you can.
If one actually has the means to flee and does so, they are abandoning their more vulnerable neighbors and family who cannot, making it that much easier for them to be ridden over roughshod.
Not going to lie I had a look at the qualifications for a German work visa yesterday. Since I've lived abroad, I'm perhaps more aware than many of how yes, you have to qualify to live in other places!
Furthermore how long do they think they can stay? You need visas, reasons to be there, justification/employment, and/or proof of return tickets for many places if you want to be there beyond the length of a tourist visa.
i get the sentiment in the OP & agree with your own—especially based on folks i’ve heard say, “i’m leaving” since 2004. but some part of it feels like collective punishment. like turning away individuals in need based to pay america’s karmic debt doesn’t teach the right people the lesson.