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Pwnallthethings@pwnallthethings.bsky.social |
Journalism peeve: "allegedly" as a qualifier is not only unnecessary, but actively wrong, once a guilty verdict is reached for that claim
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@flattop100.bsky.social
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Allegedly should only be used for comedic purposes.
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☀️ Starshine
@starshine.bsky.social
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it’s also very uh noticeable who does and does not get that qualifier.
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Fern Woodsson 🌿
@fernwoodsson.bsky.social
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Donald Trump has been convicted of more crimes than Al Capone. For example.
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There Is No Buford, Only Zuul
@bufordtbuford.bsky.social
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They are also no longer “accusations” once someone has been convicted
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Noah
@ncallaway.bsky.social
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Everyone who sees this should send a correction email.
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Ciarán
@ciaran84.bsky.social
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Hard agree. I've screamed it before but any opportunity I get, can we ban the word "clashes" as if two groups had a fight. Usually dispensed when protestors or vulnerable groups are being abused by some authority. Sorry for forcing you into my Ted Talk.
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busillis
@busillis.bsky.social
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Anyone using the term "alleged" should be required to specify who is doing the alleging. Without that it's just pretending the allegations fall from the heavens, and it's not it's something people intentionally do, in order to dodge what is probably the important part of the story.
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Bruno J. Navarro
@brunojnavarro.bsky.social
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literally now a convicted felon, sans qualifiers of any kind
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The Rocky Horror Picture Shōgun
@mgobl.eu
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On one hand, the Criminal Justice chapter of the AP Stylebook is long and highly detailed, but probably not well understood by reporters who don’t usually cover the courts — the kind being airlifted in for a major story like Trump’s, for example. …
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Paula Schaap
@redsonja.bsky.social
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Links, or it didn't happen.
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matthew green
@mrgtwentythree.bsky.social
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got annoyed at this already, yeah. perhaps the first time i remember feeling it about this point ever. one case it can be ok or even great is parody.
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Saint Onan
@saintonan.bsky.social
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"Allegedly" is a get-out-of-lawsuit-free card for people who either don't have the means to fight frivolous lawsuits, or who have been told so by their legal department. That also goes for the comments here about "lie". Plain speaking is effective, and as a result it will get you sued.
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Kait Richardson 🏳️⚧️🥔
@qirenni.com
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It’s also not a word that needs to be used in casual conversation if you believe the person committed the crime - or any communication where no one is going to sue you for defamation
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@zazzybritches.bsky.social
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That word is frequently improperly used. They even use it when there's a video of the crime being committed. What's the jury speaks with a guilty verdict it is no longer alleged. It is a legal fact.
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@branewave.bsky.social
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I'd be hesitant to give the legal system such absolute deference. If there's reason to believe the convicted person didn't actually do it, some hedging words are justified. See, e.g., the Innocence Project.
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joqatana
@joqatana.bsky.social
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I was once in a small plane that “allegedly hit a power line & landed on the freeway” Then we watched an alleged tow truck allegedly pulling an alleged Piper Cherokee to what was allegedly referred to as the alleged County Impound lot. Allegedly.
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@benhosp.bsky.social
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I think it’s a reflex or muscle memory thing. You say it all the time and you don’t think about when it’s actually appropriate. A lot less likely to have to argue with an editor about unnecessarily using it than leaving it out.
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DR Darke
@drdarkeny.bsky.social
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WTF? Who's still using "allegedly" given Convicted Felon Donald Trump's been found guilty, Guilty, GUILTY!!!! Writing "Convicted Felon Donald Trump" never gets old for me....
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BartonBishoff
@bartonbishoff.bsky.social
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“Allegedly” is not used after a guilty verdict, only before. And the before usage is correct.
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@carynm.bsky.social
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Of course ..
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CaryJo
@caryjo.bsky.social
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Why I was just screaming about this yesterday!
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JaySinWA
@jaysinwa.bsky.social
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Hey, if one side denies the validity of the trial, what's a both-sider to do?
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Ron Cox
@monkyhead.bsky.social
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oh my god this
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Chris in NY
@chrisb2.bsky.social
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eagerly awaiting Republicans forcing people to say "convicted pending appeal"
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Lord Businessman II
@lordbusinessman.bsky.social
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My understanding is that the facts weren't even in that much dispute, and a competent defense would center around what Trump knew or didn't know or that it wasn't for campaign reasons instead of whatever the fuck that was they did
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emptywheel
@emptywheel.bsky.social
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Where?
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Pyrholidon Enthusiast ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@pyrholidon.bsky.social
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“False statement”. When can we just call them lies?
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Isaac Rabinovitch
@isaac32767.bsky.social
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I often wonder if journalists even understand what the word means. Even when it makes sense, they use it in a bizarre way. "She claims that she was allegedly sexually harassed." instead of "She alleges that she was sexually harassed."
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Doneli
@doneli.bsky.social
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Conviction = Fact in the eyes of the law. Not perfect, of course. But it beats the shit of a dictatorship.
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Elizabeth Roderick
@talesfrompurgatory.bsky.social
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I know this isn’t germane to national current events, but I have an issue with calling someone who was murdered and is very dead an “alleged victim”, even during the legal process. Like, you can argue over who did it but that right there is about as victim as it gets
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Myles to Go Before I Sleep Lobdell
@myleslobdell.bsky.social
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Talking about the alleged former President?
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KenGoldsholl
@kgsbca.bsky.social
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"peeve" is maybe a minor annoyance, not an accurate and justifiable criticism.
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Katie Mack
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I’ve seen this too and it’s deeply frustrating
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Jennifer Van Goethem
@jennvg.bsky.social
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Wait. They’re still doing that? Jeez.
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@postsenjoyer.bsky.social
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Even worse: a great way to beat this behavior back is to embarrass the writers for doing it. That seems difficult, because a way to embarrass would be to lay out their selective use of the term (as they do here). That in turn requires uncertain levels of reader attention (myself included at times).
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Charley
@charley4sure.bsky.social
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I have not delved into the thread... But isn't it a matter of CYA against defamation lawsuits?
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Erika — Post-ac Momcore Valium Arc
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Evidentials doing a lot of political lifting here 🐦🐦
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Jacob T. Levy
@jacobtlevy.bsky.social
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And even before a conviction, you don't just sprinkle the word at random all over the place. Sometimes there are allegations about events; sometimes there are allegations about who committed the acts that definitely did happen; sometimes there are allegations about the legal meaning of them.
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