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Note well, "Luca" and "Turning Red" were the Pixar movies (along with "Soul") that were released directly to Disney+ during the pandemic. Luca was the #1 streamed movie of 2021; Turning Red was the #2 streamed movie of 2022. That seems pretty universal. (Soul also streamed well + 2 Oscars.)
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Joe Bandy
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Meanwhile Lightyear was a total flop critically, commercially, and on streaming.
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James Brophy
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The idea that soul would not have done well in cinemas after the pandemic worry had ended. I mean the very idea of that. It's just absurd.
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Big Bad Listing Daddy
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I really liked Luca actually lol
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crAsh
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Disney run by the same dickheads that run everything else.
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Caren with a C
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I have always wanted to know what the original Merida story was, before they took the movie away from Brenda Chapman and gave it to a man to add silly goofy man stuff to it. It's obviously 2 movies smashed togther.
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sirshannon
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We liked Luca so much, we went to see it in the theater when they did the 1-day only theater run recently.
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‘stina is a shiny special one
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Also, how do you get more "mass appeal" and "universal" for a Disney product than a cat named Machiavelli that looks like this:
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DerSchwede 🔆
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I am quite sure all of these movies turned a net profit. Which is what Disney actually cares about. But they didn't turn toy story level profit and a company like Disney doesn't just want to make money. It wants to make ALL the money.
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Cassandra Miller
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I literally had an old Disney artist tell me he felt all the movies “failed” because they weren’t telling “universal” stories. By which he clearly meant “white cishet stories.” There was no question in my mind that’s what he meant.
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Voder of BORG
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So…..auture theory is dead?
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Random Jeweler
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Well at least we got a few good ones. We'll get a lot of " universal " sludge but at least we got anything
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THECapedCaper
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It’s because they want to do everything they can to make movie to gross a billion dollars, except make an interesting movie.
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John Scalzi
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I suspect what it really being said here is that "Cars" and its sequels, among the worst Pixar movies, have pulled in billions in merchandise ($10B+ and counting) while movies like Luca and Turning Red have not and do not; thus Disney wants more merchandisable movies from Pixar, because money.
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toupee
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Damn shame. Turning Red was phenomenal. It had real human writing at its core, and I loved the characters.
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Mike Wiser
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I really liked Turning Red. And, you know, never was a girl, not from a family of recent immigrant, etc. Also don't have an inherited shapeshifting power. Stories about an individual aren't only interesting to people with a similar set of circumstances.
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@greenowl.bsky.social
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It's ok. Animated movies take years to put together. They are just reassuring Wall St. white investors & equity firms right now that white supremacy patriarchy will be upheld while doing all sorts of stuff in development outside that brief. They've been saying this type of placating stuff for years.
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Skrrt Russell
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Wow, they really said, "Stop caring about your story and start caring about the product."
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Elle
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Only 50% of the population will get their period. Not universal. The only truly universal stories are "teen white boy gets bitten by radioactive spider" and "middle-aged white man destroys his life by having an affair with a 20 yr old from work"
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Pavel
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Sure sounds like "clear mass appeal" is when a movie is about a man, while "autobiographical tales" is when a movie is about a woman Now before I look up the gender proportion in the population, let me take this big sip of water
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Heroes Peak Podcast
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Audience habits changed and so did revenue sources, but for some reason executives still want to blame movie themes and diversity for drops in income before they adjust to the changes in the business environment
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Snowcat
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Soul was a beautiful movie. I still think about it.
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Neil Stenhouse
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HazelTheWitch
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I love it when huge studios like Disney completely misinterpret public opinion, then make it everyone else's problem.
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Rochus Wolff
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My thoughts exactly, expressed in actual numbers. Thank you. bsky.app/profile/rrho...
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Hare 🍉
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Turning Red is one of my and my daughter's favorite Pixars, and it was refreshing to see a story rooted in a particular time and place (Toronto Chinatown, 1990s). Much richer than most of the other films.
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Pedro D
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My kids LOVED "Turning Red".
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Jamie McKelvie
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Also I wonder how unempathic you have to be to not find Turning Red relateable.
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Marc McKenzie
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I loved watching LUCA with my nephews. They were also surprised when I pointed out that one of the animators was a buddy of mine; we had both worked together at an animation studio in New York. He helped me out while I was learning the ropes.
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BCS
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Also, I made the mistake of going to see Elemental in theatres, it did not have the usual Disney/Pixar appeal and really fell apart from the middle forward, not selling the chemistry of its two leads very well. It seems like that would be a NO-BRAINER for Disney of all studios but... well...
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BCS
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I liked Lucas, but I liked Turning Red a little more, Lucas was lovely for its setting but Turning Red had so much cuteness and a great payoff at the end. Lucas didn't really tie it in a knot for me. I haven't actually seen the Inside Out movies yet or Soul. Soul looked pretty boring for my tastes.
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Big Fat Bartolo's Colon
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I don't know anything about anything, but even I know it is in the specifics of someone's experience that you find the universal stories
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Jorge Sosa Almeida
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Basically this
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RootfireEmber
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They were both good movies.
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Matt Sutton
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I cannot express how fully absurd a decision it feels to focus more movies like Toy Story 4 or Cars 3 rather than Turning Red and Luca. My nieces have asked to see Turning Red so many times! (because it's great!) If Disney can't make money from these movies, they are not good at their jobs!
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Orion Kidder
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Media contractions do seem to find a way to blame women and racialized people and then leave them out as a "solution." Funny pattern, there.
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Some Dumb Guy
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Nobody seemed to have any issues with Coco and Moana. Encanto was a ton of fun and would have made money outside the pandemic. COVID got kids used to watching movies at home and the fact that all the have parents pay for Disney+ means parents are not going to the theaters as much.
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Marshall Ryan Maresca
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I swear, sometimes it feels like so many box office analyses act like either the pandemic didn't happen, or that the theaters aren't still feeling the effects. "Why didn't this movie in 2021 do as well as the one from 2019? Must be the audiences didn't connect, no other reason."
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Jamsheed Studios
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In an industry dominated by appearances, it shouldn't be surprising that the appearance and affect of success is more important to the studio heads than actual material success.
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Stephen Fox
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Before they start throwing stones at Pixar, they should think about how Raya and the Last Dragon, Strange World, and Wish did
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Tbc the quotes "focus less on autobiographical tales" & "movies should be less a pursuit of any director’s catharsis and instead speak to a commonality of experience" is the Bloomberg author's own gloss on a conversation with Pete Docter, who directed Soul (and Inside Out, Up, and Monsters, Inc.)
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irishoutsider
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Historically, whenever Disney tries to make every next thing The Next Thing, it falls on its face. You can’t realistically expect every major release to be a four quadrant banger.
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@jacobwisner.bsky.social
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Yeah Luca and Turning Red were amazing. Turning Red is my niece's favorite Pixar movie...
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Terriblelizard -NBT-
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plus elemental gained track, only the "secuel" was a flop and mostly because it wasnt daring enough to be a proper scy-fi adventure movie
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sTEVE Ó Brolcháin
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The funny is: of the 4 films they mentioned, only one of them “bombed” (w/out Disney trying to retroactively obscure anything) & that was the film that they very explicitly tried to heap as much “mass appeal” on to in the most unauthentic way possible.
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Fred Beukema
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I’m convinced Turning Red would have been a box office monster, had it had a regular release.
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Jess Jess
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My kids loved Luca and Soul. They’ve watched them several times. Both thought Cars was meh. Both have a love of Sloths from the Ice Age movies 😂
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Brimstone Sulfur
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Give me TURNING RED 2 and LUCA 2 already
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Left Below
@below-left.bsky.social
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They can't blame Disney+ so they have to blame the films themselves.
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Bryan
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Luca was an amazing movie. But you know what would have made it even better? Profane Marxist Dolphins. Radical revolutionary cetacean mammals make everything better.
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Slip Slidin' Away
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Disney was founded by an antisemitic, pro Nazi, racist named WALT. Why are we even continuing to subsidize this crap.
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Dillon (6 Sided Games)
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I haven't been to a theater in 4 years. Probably won't ever go again. They are loud, sticky, expensive. Why spend money there when I can watch it at home. I don't find the "experience" to be fun.
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Thomas Masterson
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@annaleen.bsky.social and @charliejane.bsky.social broke this down nicely on their latest @ouropinions.bsky.social podcast
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maraleia
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Again, the racists, sexists and anti-LGBTQ bigots are winning here.
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@ashlynngs.bsky.social
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Also, wft about giant red pandas isn't mass appeal?? Thats an entire toyline waiting to happen, so why didn't they?
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D6Bass
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Middle-aged white bloke here. Turning Red is a bloody beautiful movie. I hate the people at the top of these studios with a passion.
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I don't want to wear pants
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They really don't like to pay attention to streaming numbers, because they're too focused on "growth" and a pursuit of infinitely scaled profit, and streaming won't do that. :(
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Elizabeth Story
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Luca and Turning Red were fantastic! I am not planning to watch Toy Story 8
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