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Popehat@kenwhite.bsky.social |
Classic American political dialogue is premised on the idea that we share fundamental values but disagree on how best to promote them. I haven’t believed this for a while. Other than “I prefer to be alive and not dead” and “I like pudding,” I do not share values with these people.
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David Fortin
@davidwfortin.bsky.social
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I used to believe this, but have been reading about George Wallace, TX politics, the influence of oil and Evangelicalism and I gotta say that around 40% of the country is just nuts.
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Jason Parton
@jasongrvin.bsky.social
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Same. I used to say that we both wanted to reach the same destination, but wanted to take different paths to get there. I now have no interest in the destination of roughly 50% of the country.
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Peter Olson
@dethtron5000.bsky.social
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I wish I could see the original tweet
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Adam Compton
@comptona.bsky.social
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Just like in Lincoln's Cooper Union speech, "what will convince them? This, and this only: cease to call slavery wrong, and join them in calling it right." Some values are irreconcilable.
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Charlotte Freeman
@cmf406.bsky.social
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Those people have never encountered someone like them who wants to kill them.
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Chihuly con Carnie
@quovadis.bsky.social
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Conservatives play follow the leader while liberals play king of the hill. It's awful right now because the conservative leader is historically awful so everything they do is awful. But once he's done, they'll have to stop encouraging the worst or they'll simply go extinct. They'll be back someday.
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@noctisumbra.bsky.social
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You don't debate fascism, you beat it to death with a baseball bat
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Ned
@thewesterhazys.bsky.social
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This is the real truth that the right's embrace of Trump reveled to me. I may have known before but watching the grotesque valueless shit show made the reality impossible to ignore.
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Dammitt
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@dietwald.bsky.social
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Time for you American antifascists to answer the question "what would you have done in late 1932" with action. This is Rhodos. Here you jump.
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DrEnglish
@drenglish.bsky.social
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I concur. Thanks for your ongoing eloquence in these dark times.
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Trip
@triphazard.bsky.social
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Given the apocalyptic religious beliefs of many and how close they believe the end is near, I'm not sure they *actually* believe "I prefer to be alive and not dead."
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Gojira1000
@gojira1000.bsky.social
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Once a party becomes a cult, yep, there's no talking to them. No common ground. They just want you to join or die.
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David
@crookedknight.bsky.social
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Not at all sure about the first one given their attitudes toward guns, disease and climate change
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@beemangler.bsky.social
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In the UK I'd say it was motherhood and apple pie. The conservatives were in favour but wanted custard to be compulsory whereas the liberals were in favour but remained ambivalent about custard. Nowadays it's more about who gets to eat all the pie. In the US you are also arguing over motherhood.
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@eeeeeeruck.bsky.social
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I’ve known this since corporate America was promoting Darth Maul as a hero our children would want to dress up as at Halloween
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SavluvX
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Every time CA catches on fire, when people are dying, right wingers (MANY) have to comment how thrilled they are, that they have no sympathy, it's what we deserve, etc. Absolutely depraved! White men are truly out of control. I have no solutions
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Dal
@dalstrus.bsky.social
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DUDE shut up if they think libs like pudding they'll try to ban it
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Bobo The Talking Clown
@bobottc.bsky.social
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Based on their policy on global warming, I'm not sure they share that first policy with me.
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Andrew Kimball
@andrewnk.bsky.social
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Malignant. Narcissism. + Zero regulation against knowing dishonest propaganda networks for decades. = Now.
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Chris Bredesen
@cbredesen.bsky.social
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I think about this a good bit and I agree, to an extent. I think the framing that makes it more obvious is that "we value things differently / at different levels". So, we might share a value but prioritize it much differently. Maybe that's obvious? I dunno.
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@govolskicksomeass.bsky.social
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What flavor?
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Daibhid James
@daibhidjames.bsky.social
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It's only a matter of time before they decide that pudding is woke unless it uses unpasteurized milk.
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Dave Bowman
@jimnasium.bsky.social
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The divide is even worse than simply not sharing the same values. We don't even share the same reality/facts.
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Currency Champion
@currencychampion.bsky.social
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Entirely fair, at this point. Alas, as someone who hopes to keep using this here country for some decades more, I nonetheless find myself casting about for a means to shake the batshit fucking crazy out of these people before it's too late. (this isn't an old joke at your expense ken honest)
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LoneWolf
@lonelylupine.bsky.social
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I felt for a while that wide swathes of the population live in a different reality than I do. That's really the only way where an old, obese man with a reedy voice, limited vocabulary, no demonstration of athletic ability, and a childish temper is somehow the ideal American strongman.
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Dave Tait
@davetait.bsky.social
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What we end up sided with can be a consternation to us too. I know little of him, but John Roberts has a look that makes him seem like the Mark Meadows or Marilyn Munroe of the Supreme Court: that look when the achievement that promised to be so sweet turns out to taste like a mouth full of pennies.
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@rbosetti.bsky.social
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[Republican one-upper voice] you don't like pudding like DeSantis likes pudding
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@joshuabhoe.bsky.social
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...."I like pudding" lol
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Rea
@papadontpreach.bsky.social
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Alito said it first.
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@gmoke.bsky.social
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Yeah, but do you eat your pudding with your bare hands like the great Ron DeSantis (allegedly)?
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Joshua Kronengold
@mnemex.bsky.social
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Yes. This is the distinction between "opponents" and "enemies". Opponents may believe different things than you, but you can work with them. Enemies? No, enemies are enemies. Politics involve strange bedfellows, but in the end an enemy is an enemy.
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Thomas Knapp (chemiclord)
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Problem is, I'm not even sure if those people prefer to be alive anymore; considering how eager they are to do stuff that increases their chances of dying.
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Viola Smart
@smartvpants.bsky.social
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I don't even believe we share, "I love my kids" because they treat their kids like property.
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Matt Salomone
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*dissociating while reading* You know, I also enjoy a good pudding
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andy
@steadynappin.bsky.social
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its been easier since half the country has basically decided all they care about is how much the ppl they dont like suffer
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Doom_371 🔰
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As horrific as it is, you're completely right. Our enemies are beyond saving and do not qualify as "fellow Americans"
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Micah Warren
@nonlinearpde.bsky.social
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What about an appreciation for othering? ... surely there's some common ground there
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Gom Jabbarbarienne
@thebarbarienne.bsky.social
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I don't even like pudding, but at least that won't hurt anyone.
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Qale
@iamqale.bsky.social
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I’m never going to get along with the “fuck your feelings” crowd.
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R. Wm. "Ruedii"
@rwruedii.bsky.social
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I would not say we ALL want the same thing, I would say MOST of us do. Most of Trump's supporters are fooled by him.
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Radio Free Kerbin
@radiofreekerbin.bsky.social
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I'm still trying to swallow this. Not pudding. I can swallow plenty of that.
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@dvdtrow.bsky.social
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In march 2015 i watched a TED talk on moral foundations theory (1st version, still with authority/purity/ingroup) and thought "oh shit" and haven't had a decent night's sleep since, praying every day that i was wrong. It looks like i wont be sleeping well anytime soon.
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Beth
@thisbethlife.bsky.social
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What gets me is when family members vote against their own interests. Time and again. And I can’t say anything bc I’m a stupid liberal bleeding heart and I don’t understand anything.
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That Anonymous Coward
@thatac.bsky.social
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And even pudding was a little questionable after learning how much DeSantis loves to shovel it in his mouth.
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Dillon (6 Sided Games)
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Pudding is over-rated and I've got clinical depression, so there are definitely times I did not prefer to be alive. Oh, that's fucking dark. I stopped believing they wanted what was best for the country after Obama was elected and I saw the...problematic responses following it.
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I Dissent Cha Cha
@rachacha.bsky.social
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They see pudding as beneath them.
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We Took Back America
@milayna.bsky.social
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Election of Trump for me, and when they put sawblades in the Rio to hoot and holler from the shore as families got chopped up was the point of no return Then of course they come around sneering about how they're "pro-life" and smarmily lying about "post-birth abortions". Put 'em in their place.
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Dirty Biker
@balme.bsky.social
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The common good is not a shared value any longer.
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Jennifer Van Goethem
@jennvg.bsky.social
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Sad frightened little monkeys gonna burn the world down rather than accept their smallness.
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@bluesouth.bsky.social
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Some conservatives don't have political opinions that are based on factual information. That's their responsibility, but it is more difficult than it was to find fact-checked information.
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R0X🥀🌈
@roxi-d-joyboy.bsky.social
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What did the deleted post say?
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Maryjane Osa
@mjosaphd.bsky.social
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There’s values … and there’s pretend values
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