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Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg@theradr.bsky.social |
I am thrilled to share that the incredible @ddelgadovive.bsky.social has written an extraordinary guest post over at Life is a Sacred Text on the claim we hear sometimes about Jews being Indigenous.
It’s one of the most thoughtful things I’ve read in a while—and so worth your time.
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David Sugerman
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This is such a spectacular piece. Deep appreciation to @ddelgadovive.bsky.social for his nuanced and articulate thinking and to you for boosting it. 🙏
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L Faunt (they/them) aka Alfred Glitchcock
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So, I have literally never heard the phrase "a land without a people" til today about I/P/the area formerly known as the British mandate. That concept makes no sense to me in relationship to what I was taught about the region throughout my life. Folks who actually went to Hebrew school , jump in?
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David
@daverino.bsky.social
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Thanks for all your thoughtful contributions
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MonicaGoldberg
@monicagoldberg.bsky.social
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Wow! Amazing and enlightening. Thank you
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NJ
@tashjoeza.bsky.social
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A really thoughtful read that introduced me to a few new ideas. It also reminded me of this equally smart and thoughtful piece about how the Lemba people of South Africa conceptualise indigineity and Jewishness (full disclosure, I was the editor so am entirely biased 😁).
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Gabrielle Plastrik
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2/2 The word is "Jewish." In the process of the formation of Israel, the people with power were the British. They manipulated both Arab and Jewish people, had little concern for consequences. That isn't the story of most places where colonialism starts. The Ottomans colonized that region, literally.
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Gabrielle Plastrik
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1/2 This is a thoughtful consideration that leaves out some key pieces of the Jewish relationship with Israel. It seems, though, that Jews moving to Israel in the 1880s, were neither practicing settler colonialism nor indigenous. They were doing something else: we need a different word.
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iris
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feel like people are responding without reading the article! I think Daniel is very right to separate out capital-I Indigenous from lowercase-i indigenous even though I think that the fact Jews are lowercase-i indigenous to either Israel or nowhere is important
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@thetoughestbean.bsky.social
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The Algerian example feels incomplete—it’s only telling half of the story. What happened to the Algerian Jews when France left?
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Gabe Moshenska
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Mostly excellent article but “I am aware of no instances in which Jews … have been a colonized people” ignores the Holocaust and the European settler-colonial logics that shaped it.
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Sabriel the Woerm
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Not my vibe, tbh. Because a whole helluva lot of people who talk about "Palestinians are the indigenous people" are using it to say "Jews are from Europe and should go back to there". Ignoring that part of the conversation (or even dismissing it as "not what it really means") is just, missing so 1/?
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Emerence
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Thank you. At protests in Canada I frequently see Palestinian protesters identifying with the Indigenous community, and I wondered at it, but the local Indigenous activists seem to feel the same.
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Neil Gaiman
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Fascinating. Made me rethink some things.
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@esgnat.bsky.social
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1) this is thoughtful and i enjoyed it v much for the clarity 2) however i wish it reckoned with what i think is the emotional drive behind the claim of Jewish indigeneity - Bar Kokhba and the ensuing great diaspora, and the longing to return.
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Harper needs headpats 🏳️⚧️
@thatharper.bsky.social
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Tired as heck, but looking forward to reading this when I'm awake.
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Hildegard Feng
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This is a very, very powerful article, and it certainly clarifies why I always feel uneasy when some ppl online apply the claim "Jews are Indigenous to Palestine/Israel" indiscriminately.
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Amy Rosenberg
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Short version: “That’s why it’s pretty much only fascists who say things like “___ are the Indigenous people of ____”
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John Breen
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This seems like a really interesting read. Thanks for posting it and sharing it
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Daniel Bezerra 🇵🇸🚩🏴
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That was incredibly insightful, Rabbi. Thank you so much! I'm always glad to see voices from Latin America and the Global South raising points like this one - and being heard, for a change.
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rocket's little place of honor 🎗️
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there is no definition of indigenous that can exclude jews and include all other indigenous tribes. this one excludes the dogon, the igbo, copts, imazighen, yazidis, masuos, sami and every other tribe of africa and eurasia that has held its culture alive in spite of conquests predating columbus
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PA
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I have Arab Jewish blood. Don’t tell me I’m not indigenous to Israel.
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PA
@pabronx.bsky.social
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Sorry. Wrong. We are indigenous to Israel. Jews belong there.
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AkivaMCohen
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Respectfully, I can't see the distinctions being drawn in this piece as particularly meaningful. "Indigenous status is only defined by being impacted by colonialism, not by being a native people expelled and oppressed by pre-colonial conquerors." Um ... ok? So what's the word for *those* natives and
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Sarah Slack
@sarahjslack.bsky.social
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Thanks to both of you for this necessary and nuanced explication.
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wembley
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Nic 🍉
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Michael Kaplan
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so many clear and obvious errors and distortions that it's hard to get through the whole thing.
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Doctor Hurdy Gurdy
@notarealdoctor.bsky.social
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Thank you Daniel Delgado and thank you Rabbi for sharing. This is a wonderfully written piece and helped me to get at a lot of questions that have been itching in my mind but I didn't really know what they were.
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Annaleigh Watts 🌹 🪶 🇲🇽 🇵🇸
@annaleighmaria.bsky.social
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Thank you for sharing this. It articulated a lot of the problems I have with white Ashkenazi Zionists & their white non-Jewish supporters regarding this issue as an Indigenous person. Even had the unpleasant experience of being called a pretendian by a white Zionist over it while triggered by Gaza.
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Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg
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While I get yelled at bc white Jews don’t like the definition of Indigenaity accepted by the Indigenous peoples’ movement, I’ll reshare this other piece people yelled at me about (double dipping!) noting that the first Israelites were likely disgruntled Canaanites. Indigenous is a political term.
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cool kevin
@berrey.bsky.social
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this is a wonderful and thoughtful examination of indigenousness and colonialism as being inextricably bound by a dialectical relationship.
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Ellen Henak
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I am still thinking about it, but each time I think it through, it looks less useful. The article appears to be accepting a "colonial" framework while trying to shed that framework at the same time and I don't think it's working. It seems to accept that there are two labels that really matter, 1/
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