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Jacob Montgomery@jacobmontgomery.bsky.social |
Nothing has radicalized me on immigration more than graduate advising. We are bringing many of the most brilliant people on the planet here, paying to train them as cutting edge scholars, and then making it pointlessly difficult for them to stay here and use those skills to benefit society.
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@ericwzc.bsky.social
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My parents came to the US on a student visa and then transitioned to visa sponsorship by a company. I was 1 year old. We got our green cards when I was in 4th grade. We got citizenship when I was a freshman in college.
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Dezene Huber π»
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When I was in πΊπΈ as a postdoc (from π¨π¦) my visa said I had to return to π¨π¦ for a number of years before attempting to return to πΊπΈ. The point, as I recall it, was so that πΊπΈ could train people but not be a brain drain. In the case of π¨π¦ no big deal. But other countries really need expertise to return.
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Nope
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Working in big tech, exact same. Colleagues are consistently so top notch, and we put them through so much absolute bullshit to get and maintain their ability to work
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Jason D. Salvagni
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I deal with this all the time as well. Infuriating and quite honestly, embarrassing.
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dougwiser.bsky.social
@dougwiser.bsky.social
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I think that is a new form of "brain drain"
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Sumita Pahwa
@sumitapahwa.bsky.social
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I'm glad to hear that...as a non-US grad student, I was so stunned by how much time and money we had to spend, how much precarity we had to deal with, and how little anyone - advisors, fellow students, anyone - seemed to know or care.
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Dr Emma L Briant
@emmalbriant.bsky.social
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Well - it also can be 'positive for society' if those highly trained people choose to go back to their country of origin. The world doesn't benefit from a brain drain. But it's also good for them of course to have options.
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Rich Puchalsky β
@richpuchalsky.bsky.social
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"use those skills to benefit society" is some strange mixture of liberalism as empire building and American exceptionalism, as if *our* society is the only one that counts or the only one in which a scholar can work
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Nicholas Weaver
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If I was in charge there would be a list of majors/universities where "you get a Ph.D. on the chart you get a greencard. Thanks!"
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Squire Boone
@isomorphism.net
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I have been working at Caltech for twenty plus years and the Trump admin during the pandemic was ruthlessly inhumane.
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Erik Angner
@erikangner.com
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Same here :(
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@ajslater.bsky.social
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See also: hiring in tech. Truly brilliant people the government is fighting to remove from American companies.
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Caroline Fan
@carolinefan.bsky.social
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I sponsored a Brown School student for OPT this past year. She applied to grad schools and didn't get in. Now she is back in China. I would've adopted her if it would've made any difference.
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Zac
@zaclikesbikes.bsky.social
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Radicalized is such a strong term for "my parents fucked on this side of the imaginary line'. I'm glad you're here, but don't forget how stupid this is in the first place.
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Goldstein the Hon
@goldstein.bsky.social
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Alternate view: the US is helping to educate and uplift the rest of the world without brain draining it. Many of those brilliant immigrants only come to the US because of economic/political situations in their country exacerbated by the US and further worsened by a lack of qualified people.
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Limubai Bol
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Yup. Legal immigration is so broken. There was a phenomenal interview about 15 off years ago on NPR about an illegal immigrant who was a brick layer. And I was like, how can this guy navigate the legal bureaucracy or afford the fees??? I had a graduate degree and the top law firm on my side.
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Pierce Nichols
@nocleverhandle.bsky.social
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It would very much be in the US interest to issue a green card to any foreign student who earns a degree from a US institution.
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Brian Farrell
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Sincere question. In many cases, would it not be morally better that many or most return home and use their training to help develop their own society, if they come from a country much less wealthy and developed than the USA? Should the OECD countries be draining all the brains? Not a new issue.
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Suzanne she/her
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I got to teach a citizenship class to ppl who were preparing for the test, and it was so gratifying when they became citizens. Def one of my more fulfilling jobs. It certainly says something that they got so far in the process. It was through a community college, so these werenβt highly educated ppl
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Te Ara Paerangi Com - Research Advocacy Capability
@arapaerangicom.bsky.social
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See further New Zealand.
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@rheumecraig.bsky.social
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Amen. Similar for doctors. We train all these residents that end up having to leave due t immigration laws (or have an impossibly difficult time continuing work), but meanwhile have shortages of MDs all over.
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Shawn Connery
@shawnconnery.bsky.social
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And treat them like shit in the process.
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Blue Meme
@bluememe.bsky.social
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Fear not: conservatives are working hard to solve this problem by preventing/discouraging them from coming here to study in the first place.
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@axamaqueda.bsky.social
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Even of the complicated immigration rules are fixed, it's OK if people choose to leave.
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The chicken lady
@chickenlady.bsky.social
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Germany is even worse in that regard and the UK is breaking international law . Meanwhile at MAL and other hotels:
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Julia Azari
@juliaazari.bsky.social
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What amazes me is how... offended? Some people are about immigration. I am personally very proud to live in a country that so many people want to come to. (Even as I know that's not an entirely rosy situation) And ashamed of the ignorance and hostility that seem to have swept over some of us.
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Birch π³οΈβππ³οΈββ§οΈ
@birchduck.bsky.social
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My co-workers have taken about 10 years. One joined the national guard to hopefully make it easier, which doesn't seem like the right reason to become a soldier (but neither does "I need to get out of here!" Or "I can't afford college")
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Andrew D Wilson
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The UK too. Itβs so gross
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the sixers worrier
@danielb1609.bsky.social
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I work with some engineers from India and was asking if they planned on trying to get citizenship and they started laughing at how ridiculous that question was.
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James Geluso
@atlemar.bsky.social
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In 2006, the Republican candidate for Senate in Washington said green cards should be stapled to the diploma of every foreign graduate.
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Wendel
@wendelschwab.bsky.social
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Canada has a very generous path to permanent residency (equivalent of a green card) for students, and the government recently put some restrictions in place, but excluded grad students from those restrictions. Spouses of grad students on a student visa can even get work visas in Canada.
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Daniel Sereduick
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Immigration in France has been one of those things here where my American childhood makes me feel like I'm secretly breaking a rule or getting one over on them and they're like "nah you good, enjoy your stay"
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chieflotsahair
@chieflotsahair.bsky.social
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I learned a little of the struggle from international friends in college. Most ended up in another country after graduation because it was easier than staying in the US.
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