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i forgot who made this argument but i’ve always liked the borg as an adversary because they are a dark mirror of the federation

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Pad Rock's avatar Pad Rock @padrock.bsky.social
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The maquis guy in DS9 argues this, that the federation sucks up cultures into itself

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William Preston's avatar William Preston @williampreston.bsky.social
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I think that argument is expressly made in DS9 when they're fighting the Maquis. Some guy in charge points out that the Federation is identically assimilationist. (But maybe I'm misremembering this.)

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Nick's avatar Nick @thesunglasskid.bsky.social
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From what I’ve herd, it was a rebellion against Gene’s idea of Future Humanity. “You want a race that gets along perfectly without arguing? Fine! They’re called the Borg!”

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joshua caleb weibley's avatar joshua caleb weibley @livingfake.bsky.social
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Sometimes I think star trek is smarter than even it realizes it is

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Nicolas Demers's avatar Nicolas Demers @npdemers.bsky.social
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To me they're more a Communism-as-seen-from-the-US metaphor. A lot of Cold War era sci-fi and comics had hive-mind USSR stand-ins, with terrifying conformism and imperialist aggression. "A Wrinkle In Time", written in 1962, does a textbook case with Camazotz, a Dark-controlled planet

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Dr Emil Seidel, MD's avatar Dr Emil Seidel, MD @zbk.bsky.social
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The Dominion also do a good job of being a dark mirror of the Federation.

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Matt Goldberg's avatar Matt Goldberg @mattgoldberg.bsky.social
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The Borg also rock because they’re basically space zombies.

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Isaac! At the Butler!'s avatar Isaac! At the Butler! @isaacbutler.bsky.social
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Also based on a tennis player

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Troy's avatar Troy @troysch1.bsky.social
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Yea a critique I’ve had of mirror verse federations is they’re always “what if we were an evil authoritarian empire” and not “what if we were even more advanced but didn’t have the prime directive so beneficently swallowed up entire alien races to ‘help’ them”

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That’s Too Much, Colby's avatar That’s Too Much, Colby @thatstoomuchcolby.bsky.social
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Eddington says it in DS9!

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b-boy bouiebaisse's avatar b-boy bouiebaisse @jbouie.bsky.social
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underrated scene in this movie is when alfre woodard’s character bumps into worf and he just says “i am a klingon”

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jdreyfuss (he/him)'s avatar jdreyfuss (he/him) @jdreyfuss.bsky.social
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I’m pretty sure more than one person said it on DS9. Like main cast. Like Kirah and Quark and at least one Cardassian.

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They’re the Federation without empathy for life. Which is something that’s usually missed when they keep making the federation the villains in recent movies/shows.

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E. Allyn (aka Norton II, Emperor of the United States)'s avatar E. Allyn (aka Norton II, Emperor of the United States) @ericallyn.bsky.social
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The Borg are the ultimate colonizers. Enslave the natives and strip the resources. "We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." Total cultural appropriation.

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Chairman Goa Tse-tung's avatar Chairman Goa Tse-tung @jctenton.bsky.social
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same concept for trek's best antagonists, the dominion

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The Prankster: Spocking Fives's avatar The Prankster: Spocking Fives @prankster36.bsky.social
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They drifted conceptually but the original idea of the Borg was that they represented humanity enslaved to technology in contrast with the Federation having ensured that technology was fully in service to humanity

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Wil Sterling's avatar Wil Sterling @shadowvasterra.bsky.social
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Pretty sure that was Quark in DS9.

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You’ve Got Ishmael (they/them)'s avatar You’ve Got Ishmael (they/them) @poisonedpenuche.bsky.social
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my favorite professor read the borg as capitalism.

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Dave's avatar Dave @davebrowne.bsky.social
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In Canada we always thought of The Borg as the American Melting Pot and the Federation as the Canadian Mosaic.

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Aquaman Randy Savage's avatar Aquaman Randy Savage @autotwilo.bsky.social
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I remember v. early Discovery has the Klingons accuse the federation in that light - as a homogenizing malaise.

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Cooper Lund's avatar Cooper Lund @cooperlund.bsky.social
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I liked them better without the idea of a Queen, though

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pee wee herman-palladino's avatar pee wee herman-palladino @markpopham.bsky.social
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something I really liked about DS9 was that it made explicit that the Federation used access to replicators to essentially enforce their values in a "nonviolent" way

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Kevin Carson's avatar Kevin Carson @kevincarson1.bsky.social
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I've seen it made by Josh Marsfelder at Vaka Rangi blog

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MacCarthyMAC's avatar MacCarthyMAC @maccarthymac.bsky.social
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I always wondered what the mirror universe version of the Borg would be: a sad subservient drone class under another power, or a Cenobite-style hedonistic pleasure culture.

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buster skeetin's avatar buster skeetin @raymanwithaplan.bsky.social
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Hadn't heard that. Seems clever

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Manyakitty 's avatar Manyakitty @manyakitty.bsky.social
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Not the mirror universe?

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grungler, tod und teufel's avatar grungler, tod und teufel @swimming-blerd.bsky.social
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always felt this generic irrational fear of cultural assimilation or adulteration was the big undercurrent to star trek vi youtu.be/uK2YyfJAdGo?...

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A Real Joel Dehn's avatar A Real Joel Dehn @arealjoeldehn.bsky.social
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@nome.bsky.social had a terrific, epic Twitter thread back in the day about Trek and Roddenberry and the Borg and the Mirror Universe and the improvement of humanity, in real life and in the far future.

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Gautam Hans's avatar Gautam Hans @gshans.bsky.social
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The Dominion too, in its own way…

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