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Kevin M. Kruse@kevinmkruse.bsky.social |
Every time I’ve encountered this argument I’ve asked them to show me when this has worked before and, so far, I’ve had no takers.
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Grudgie the Whale
@grudgie.bsky.social
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D_Girl
@dgirl.bsky.social
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When was the last time you voted Whig, Kevin?
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GEM is truly truly outrageous
@seghaxx.bsky.social
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this is why i vote third party
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L O L G O P
@lolgop.bsky.social
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Directly led to cancellation of the show where they were trying to find a new singer for INXS.
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Aaron Petry
@aaronpetry.bsky.social
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Like all the times voting third party has resulted in anything other than getting who you absolutely did not want.
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RussJazz
@russjazz.bsky.social
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It worked well to fuel the rise is Nazism in Europe - all the players who were gaming the system had a plan for the post Nazi era…
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Seth Masket
@smotus.bsky.social
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Turnout in city elections is very low, which is effectively a boycott, which is why our cities are so well run.
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Nancy Wingfield
@nmw1.bsky.social
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IMO, it brought us 45**. Such a win.
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frat1dan
@frat1dan.bsky.social
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Not voting is the default for saying "someone please just rule over me - I give you permission". Any country that says it is a democracy is not unless there is more than one unencumbered party. Even then, it is not a representative democracy unless everyone allowed to vote actually votes.
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AMH
@askmehow.bsky.social
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Not everyone benefits from having their choice of candidate elected. Asking the people who benefit least, to suffer in order to vote is unfair. At some point, those who benefit most need to sacrifice something rather than condemning those who see very little change no matter who wins.
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I'm a different bird
@imadifferentbird.bsky.social
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If Trump wins, I'm not sure we'll have any future candidates for the foreseeable future. Asshole already tried to overturn one election where he didn't like the results.
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John O’Connell
@hoppirate.bsky.social
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It’s the “prayer warrior” approach to politics.
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Puffin
@johnhpage.bsky.social
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It worked for Putin! The protest no votes against him, that is
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OldeHippi🦋
@oldehippi.bsky.social
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Actually it's a glorified "cop out". Idiots are disgustingly available in this day and age.... Never imagined society getting so incredibly dull.
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Alaskan Weeb
@alaskanweeb.bsky.social
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Too Big to Fail
@toobigtofail.bsky.social
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I think there's an argument to be made that this is what happened to the Whig Party in the U.S. from 1852-1860. I don't necessarily know that I'd make that argument, though.
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Spica LeChat
@spica-lechat.bsky.social
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Voting for one of the two to three dog-shit candidates presented to me in the primaries hasn't yielded great results either. The worst of the bunch usually wins the nomination anyway. I'm talking about down ballot nominations too, especially even.
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Sarah Darer Littman
@sarahdarerlittman.bsky.social
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I still haven't forgiven all my male progressive friends who voted third party "on principle" in 2016. Way to let women know that your "principles" matter more than our autonomy over our own bodies.
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Kyle Weidleman
@weidleman.com
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Democrats definitely learned the lesson of the 2000 Green Party vote and that’s why President Howard Dean cruised to victory in 2004.
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Tim Slager
@tjslager.bsky.social
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Yeah, no.
yadontknow.blogspot.com/2021/01/by-p...
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Gnarlythotep, the Surfer with 1k Toes
@merelyeccentric.bsky.social
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Nonsense. It works great. For accelerationists.
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Wagatwe Wanjuki
@wagatwe.com
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didn't this work with white voters who threatened to leave Dems en masse, so they rolled back some anti-racist policy to appease them? I swear i learned about it in school
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amdiamanti
@amdiamanti.bsky.social
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You could also ask why the GOP is so committed to voter suppression if not voting ever achieved anything for the left.
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Frank 4
@frankschloegel.bsky.social
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What about voting for a candidate you like? My friends in NYC pat themselves on the back and vote for the Green Party. In Missouri I still believe my vote matters. So I vote for Hilary and Biden, war mongering centrists who are far superior to right wing authoritarians.
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Doug McCrae
@dougmccrae.bsky.social
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A political boycott can only work when it's done by a party or candidate's genuine voters. Here in the UK, the Tories were pressured over Brexit by the threat of Tory voters switching to Nigel Farage's Brexit Party. That won't work with Biden because the far left were never going to vote for him.
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Ben
@benrinehart.bsky.social
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Are these folks writing their reps to tell them what they’d like or do they believe their complaints on social media are closely monitored by the President?
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Ravin Boodram
@handle.invalid
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It’s a sign of a healthy “democracy” when every election appears to be a choice between someone who will end democracy, and another who ignores the will of his voters.
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Still Peachy
@stillpeachy.bsky.social
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President Nadar?
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Still Peachy
@stillpeachy.bsky.social
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Those who protested Biden in 2020 fail to understand that they weren't necessary in 2020. The trump years taught most of us a lesson re: the consequences of a temper tantrum.
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PeopleDied2Vote
@peopledied2vote.bsky.social
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Dour Optimist
@douroptimist.bsky.social
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Here's an example of voting effectiveness: Judd Blevins, who attended the Charlottesville march in 2017 and associated with white supremacists, has been recalled from the Enid OK City Council.
www.koco.com/article/okla...
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Globulous Gutgurgle
@inmediasrage.bsky.social
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Well, we've come to a new, bold election where the other side is going to send in red state national guard to blue states. No more is the risk just on the marginalized groups. So it's not "resistance" it's M.A.D. M.A.D. to try and coerce those in power to course correct on fucking genocide
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Jason Palmer
@jpalmerdubs.bsky.social
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People think the point of voting is to reward or punish some party or politician, rather than advance policy goals. “Well sure there’s a Muslim ban, mass deportations, and round ups of political opponents, but the point is the Democrats had to learn a lesson!”
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David Slack
@slack2thefuture.bsky.social
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Russia propaganda accounts were pushing this “don’t vote as a protest” bullshit pretty hard in 2016. No reason to believe that has changed.
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Jimmy (Ø) Jim (Ø) James
@jimmyjimjames.bsky.social
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The lesson of US President Wavy Gravy
is clear
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobody_....
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Karmageddon
@karmageddon.bsky.social
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I would also like some explanation as to HOW it would improve future, as yet non-existent candidates.
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Alex Remington
@alexremington.bsky.social
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The closest thing I can think of is when an entire caucus flees to another state to deprive the chamber of its minimum quorum - the most aggressive form of not voting imaginable. But parliamentary tactics don't work for a plebiscite.
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Accountabilabuddy
@accountabilabuddy.bsky.social
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Civics classes in the US never put enough effort into explaining how first-past-the-post works. (Mainly because if they did, we would have discarded it decades ago.)
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Jarathen
@jarathen.bsky.social
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Has someone tell me with a straight face they were voting for jill stein. Like that helps anyone but that grifter. Also the other one.
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ThomasHamiltonJr.bsky.social
@thomashamiltonjr.bsky.social
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I have heard the phrase “your vote doesn’t matter” since I first voted in 1980
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TWuG, The Original
@twug.bsky.social
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There are few better ways to be ignored by politicians than by being a non-voter. Non-voters have literally silenced themselves.
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Schroedingercat
@schroedingercat.bsky.social
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If a modern historian can't point to an instance of successful resistance via voter abstention, then I don't understand why people think it will work!!
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ben schwartz
@benschwartz.bsky.social
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they seem to think that their once-in-four-years vote is the only political voice they have. protesting, organizing, and fundraising are also resistance. the civil rights act didn't pass bc lbj had purist politics, it took decades of organizing and actual resistance *and* him to make it happen.
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RockGod
@thehoustonwade.bsky.social
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Nothing punishes the opposition quite like giving them a commanding lead and a huge mandate.
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Daniel Kelly
@saffroncomic.com
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Meanwhile, pro-voting leftists can draw a straight line between AOC shockingly defeating a centrist Democrat leader in a primary by running on a Green New Deal, and Biden signing a massive climate bill a few years later.
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@kenner3616.bsky.social
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I’m sure that ‘not voting as an act of resistance’ will ring true when Trump is rounding people up and deporting them, when the GOP institutes a national abortion ban, and when Trump’s administration uses Civil Rights laws to fight “anti-white racism.” 🤷🏽♀️
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Tagger
@tgscenic.bsky.social
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Stupidity should be more fatal more often
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Stig & The Grumble
@stigirish.bsky.social
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I am a progressive Democrat living in Utah where they gerrymandered the one federal seat we could win out of existence. I still vote in every election.
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Kevin M. Kruse
@kevinmkruse.bsky.social
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Boycotting a product works because there’s an incentive for businesses to chase every possible dollar. Boycotting a political process dies not work because there’s no incentive for a politician, as the number of votes doesn’t matter — their percentage of the votes actually cast does.
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Elliot Ghoul
@elliotghoul.bsky.social
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The number of annoying conversations I’ve avoided by asking “did you vote?” is substantial and gratifying
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Andrew
@onyx416.bsky.social
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The political and judicial systems are obviously rigged by design to keep the status quo. It becomes clearer every day the neither party represents the average American. Why would people keep doing the same thing and expect a different result?
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Pyrholidon Enthusiast ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@pyrholidon.bsky.social
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The one time it worked out is in Soviet Russia under Stalin. With the very important caveat that in order to win office you needed to capture at least fifty percent of the vote or they’d get a new guy. So if enough people stayed home it really could swing an election.
youtu.be/vFjh8lBB6T4?...
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Andy Craig
@andycraig.bsky.social
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There are rare cases where an organized electoral boycott can be succesful. Usually to protest rigged sham elections. But sometimes others. There was a fairly succesful one in the 2017 Puerto Rico referendum. Followed by a better one in 2020. But this is not applicable to 99% of elections.
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Nolan Zugernat
@zugernat.bsky.social
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In fact it only makes things worse.
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unreasonable expert
@herfortphoto.bsky.social
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I remember being this dumb. I “hated all politicians”. I didn’t quite understand what there was to lose. Then George W Bush became president and I’ve always voted since.
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Reagen S.
@reagen.bsky.social
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"Just not vote harder"
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MaKettle
@makettle.bsky.social
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I reallydon't understand it. Choosing not to vote is still making a political choice, so actually choosing can't be the issue. Apathy? Ignorance? Laziness?
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Paul I
@paul314.bsky.social
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I always think about the fact that if all the people who complain about the absence of universal healthcare showed up to vote, we would have universal healthcare.
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BraveryTEWalker
@braverytewalker.bsky.social
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“Silencing my voice pushes my voice to be heard.” -Absolute morons who have no idea how voting works.
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Head go boomy
@smullins3000.bsky.social
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"Not voting" is an act of saying "you don't have to worry about my vote". And so they won't.
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