Not over. As someone alive before Chevron precedent, before legal abortion, before many things being flipped back in time existed, I can say you can fight this war&win it. Again. &this time, people have sunk costs&reaped benefits where before it was theoretical. They will feel&resent the loss.
Study history and cultural trends. You’ll become history but by then it’s not as useful.
Capitalism as the overriding value is how this happened. Now you can litigate the rule-making that comes from legislation. Money gets to buy the rule making by way of legal investment.
Taxation fixes this.
Ain't over till John Brown sings, ain't over until I and you and a big angry crowd personally retake our rights. If that's what it takes, that's what it takes.
I’m so sick of this defeatist attitude. The Court can be swung easily in the next 5 years with natural attrition and the near certainly that at least one of the conservatives moves toward the center. It all comes down to who is nominating the replacement justices.
I don’t disagree. What eats at me is how the tools originally used to win those gains are being systematically weakened - stable precedent, voting rights and access, a relative belief in common reality, etc. - to create an immovable status quo in favor of one side.
I'm not clear how people make the connection. Intuitively and watching the electorate it just becomes a general malaise from a bunch of different paper cuts. Can cause and effect be linked that clearly for normies that, till last night, didn't really believe it was going to be Trump vs Biden?
Am I wrong, or was there noticeable complacency back in the 90s? That we had reached the goals and all would be well forever? Is there a liberal Federaliat Society? An Opus Dei for progressive Christians?
My mother is a dyed in the wool hippie, always has been. Shes been protesting various causes since the mid 70s, chaining herself to buildings, bulldozers etc
She describes it as a sisyphean task, you have to keep pushing and never ever stop
Shit isnt just now getting bad
It has been bad
We will see. Victory once does not guarantee victory again.
I'll defer to your PhD, but even if we "win" again it will not undo the pain and suffering of those most vulnerable. Lost jobs, destroyed families, lost homes, and suicide deaths aren't easily fixable.
Todays thoughts: If I believe in anything, it is the power of imagination over fear. We are most afraid when we don’t trust that we can overcome unexpected challenges, small or great.
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Irony died with Stare Decisis. The case that resulted in “Chevron” was brought before SCOTUS during the RayGun reign by Neil Gorsuch’s mommy when she headed EPA cuz she thought her “experts” could stifle environmentalists. Neil voted to overturn one of mommy’s crowning achievements. R.I.P. mommy G.
Yep! When I was born, there were rivers on fire in the US, women couldn't even open their own bank accounts, let alone have access to abortion, it was illegal to be gay in most states, etc. It is horrifying to see progress erased, but that does not mean we can't fight back and reclaim it.
Be nice if we didn't have to endure holes in the ozone layer, acid rain, industrial waste in our lakes and rivers, and a host of other things all over again, though.
Yes, and the counter arguments are getting weaker and weaker. The very places that make these idiots strong are ground zero for the coming flood, and they shall find themselves beggars at your feet in the end. These folks aren't powerful, they're well funded, stupid, and angry, they cannot sustain.
true, a lot of the environmental stuff I'm already mourning became law during my lifetime; I was a baby the last time the Cuyahoga burned.
I guess this is like some of the anti-public-health weirdness; people forget how bad it was before.
I'm all for fighting but every election is the most important ever and yet we see our rights stripped away. A 2nd Biden term is not going to stop that. I'll vote for Biden but his ego and insistence to run when voters have been very clear for over 2 years, he's too old.
Exactly! We've won before and we'll win again. Last night was a setback, but winning is still easier if we *don't* elect the worst president in the world and a bunch of his enablers in congress. Those still pinning their hopes on the Leftist Rapture can go to hell along with their right-wing allies.
Not over, just rolled a fuckton back. This is bad, but there are fixes. Step one is representatives that would be willing to create regulatory courts and/or regulatory agencies under the legislature.
That is, progressive Democrats.
There is a series of fantasy books I like where part of the plot involves the protagonist finding out the Laws of Realty. The first one he learns is: FAILURE IS NON-PERMANENT.
im 22, am i part of the generation that lives to see abortion relegalized or a new chevron doctrine put in place, or is this a tree i plant to never sit under?
Yup. We have to make sure voters know these GOP politicians are preventing them from obtaining life saving procedures.
I also fully expect the politicians to have exempted themselves and their doctors from the consequences of these laws. If so, make sure their voters know that too.
It's not just that. It's that all of this feels so inescapable. I could accept that I and my friends will probably struggle for 20 yrs to see a world where these regs and human rights get put back in place, but to know that a decade after THAT, these same rich assholes could just undo it again.
IMO, the question is how much pain we will suffer before we can redress the balance. The election results will influence the answer significantly, of course, but given the FedSoc’s current influence and Congress’ unwillingness to kill the filibuster, the answer looks like “an awful lot.”