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Michael Hobbes@michaelhobbes.bsky.social |
I don't actually think the DNC is all that responsible for Clinton or Biden being the nominee. Primary voters genuinely thought they were the strongest candidate to beat Trump!
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Molly Gordon
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Oh come on Michael
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Fellow Member of Your Preferred In-Group
@immaculatepizza.bsky.social
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Must have been nice to be a primary voter that year.
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rifka the unhinged fat activist
@rifka.bsky.social
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Sorry but highly debatable in 16 tbh and idk why we’re pretending there is such a clean separation between the status quo on the ground and the internal propaganda role of the DNC. But I probably agree in a literal sense and people probably just mean unaccountable right wingers
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Business Time
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if your mystery candidate could crush Trump, then surely they'd be able to win a primary against Clinton or Biden as well?
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@knabepicer.bsky.social
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I’m skeptical about anyone “crushing” Trump. There are absolutely more people in the voting population who would prefer not-Trump to Trump. But Trump’s support base is diehard and not that small a minority of voters.
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Lexi the Squirrel
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Are we just going to pretend the way the primaries work is on the up and up?
youtu.be/_fDNJ_pd7Zs
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I wish people would give up the "DNC Kingmaker" nonsense. The primaries are more determinative by far.
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lexa prole 2024
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no one thought that.
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Matthew Frye
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There's also the fact that whoever got chosen would have been attacked in various ways. If some outsider came through and got the nomination instead of Biden, who's to say what BS narrative might have piled up in the media in place of the "too old" storyline
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Gavin
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And Clinton still got more votes than trump. It was really close in a lot of states and probably couldve won if certain things did or didn’t happen. (Cough emails).
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Sean Kelly
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It's incredibly frustrating to watch, honestly. A lot of people I liked more than Biden ultimately ran shitty campaigns over the years, and I'm not going to start claiming the whole thing was "rigged" because I'm not giving more air to that MAGA horseshit.
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Hannah
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also, there are actual relationships that Biden and Clinton had form over decades with precinct captains in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and wherever else. It's not a conspiracy, it's decades of networking. Should that be how we find a nominee? probably not, but it's not evil, it's human
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AuldDragon
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It's also always really important to point out that both got way more votes than Trump! Our fucked up system is what put him in power in 2016!
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Misandrosaurus Bex
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Are you telling me that there *wasn’t* a vast DNC conspiracy that prevented Bernie and his fans from reaching out to or successfully connecting with southern Dem voters ahead of Super Tuesday, twice?
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Fuzzy Mike
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I don’t think you can isolate that from the fact that (1) Democratic primary voters trust the DNC and (2) the DNC heavily supported and promoted Clinton and Biden
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Andrew A. Gill
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A lot of the argument I've been making is that Clinton made it hard for candidates to rise to a level of prominence that would allow them to threaten a Clinton nomination, which meant people tended not to have things to like about them. OTOH, a large portion of Ds genuinely loved Clinton
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Ersatz Haderach
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Idk man, every DNC leadership mouthpiece sure remembered that they could just book a talkshow appearance or write an NYT opinion guest piece real fast when Bernie was winning primaries and forgot the second he was eliminated.
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Michael Hobbes
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Biden was basically my lowest-ranked candidate in the 2020 primary but it's just not the case that some sort of back room deal is why he became the nominee. A lot of people genuinely preferred him!
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@greekmamaearth.bsky.social
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I recommend finding the Lyndon Baines Johnson parody account on Twitter & reading his posts on the history of open conventions vs pledged delegates for Democrats.
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Ozmodiar, Space Elf
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Also Biden beat Trump in 2020. If it was DNC "scheming", then it worked.
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root rot
@rootrot1519.bsky.social
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what national committee organizes the primaries? controlling the format and messaging genuinely influences voters!
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Fnord Borgly
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And they both beat Trump, by popular vote!
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Jay Seaver
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I don't think Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden were chosen by the DNC so much as they are very good at internal party politics and have resources in that arena in ways that, say, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders do not.
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Neal K
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Yeah it wasn't weird at all how a bunch of candidates who still had a chance at winning just dropped out and cleared the field for Biden all at once.
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@craftydiem.bsky.social
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Having been involved in local politics for a while I have seen what Dems will do to make sure every candidate is who they picked. If you aren't the party chosen candidate from the start you might have a hard time getting flyers, signs, and any kind of support from up-ballot Dems.
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Kevin
@kevinfoy.bsky.social
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I think a deeper problem is how primary voters try to guess who general election voters will like (and how the media feeds that thinking) rather than just picking the person who appeals to them. There’s sort of this assumption of “I get this candidate, but I’m smarter than other people”
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scott
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Have to factor in that Obama intervened in 2020 to ensure all the non-Bernie candidates dropped out and endorsed Biden before Super Tuesday, which acted as a huge sign to Dem voters to tell them what to believe
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Ostrich, Booster Pack Blueskyer
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But if that's the case then it's the failure of the left to adequately mobilize a grassroots movement for their ideals- oh
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Steve Uncle
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People will complain the DNC is a monolithic all-powerful organization picking and choosing presidential candidates and in the next breath criticize the DNC for being mush-mouth and unambitious when it comes to policies.
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Nathan Kalmoe (he/him)
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DNC def isn't it. They're like the least powerful among the donors, electeds, etc who preferred HRC & then JB. And utlimately voters, as you say.
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Drew T
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I mean, I worked at the DNC. The idea that the "DNC" picks & games things for particular candidates is an utterly comical misunderstanding of how anything works. The DNC as an organization is smaller than most think-tanks: probably has less staff & influence over anything than Emily's List, ffs
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Pebble
@cloacadentata.bsky.social
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Are we just going to ignore the massive DNC-coordinated media coronation of Biden after winning one (1) state to Bernie's three? It was the Democrats' single biggest expenditure of political capital I've ever seen.
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matt
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it's not "the DNC" but the coalescing around Biden ahead of South Carolina (and Pete/Amy dropping out) doesn't happen without the help of influential party members. that's a big part of the story of how we have Biden today.
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Kelcie Moseley-Morris
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I don't think primary voters had much to do with it. It was more that no viable alternative actually stepped up to challenge him.
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Dan Lavoie
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This is true. And the DNC should, frankly, be self-interested enough to toss Biden overboard to save everyone down-ballot (and, IMO, moderately increase their chances of winning the presidency, though I'm skeptical that is anything better than a 1-in-4 chance for any Dem at this point)
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David Lebo
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I say this as someone who voted for Bernie each time: Bernie's campaign in 2016 was absolutely not initially built to win the primary election. He was making campaign videos in iMovie, a statement I 100% mean. He was running to make a statement and THEN it turned out he did better than he thought
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