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Mitchell Epner

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A difference between me and many of my friends is that most of my friends believe that manners and decorum mean that a person will not participate in fascism. Maybe it is the lesson that my bitter Jewish grandmother taught me, but I've always believed that aristocrats can push us into the ovens.

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Merit St. Media, Crusader for Truth's avatar Merit St. Media, Crusader for Truth @tommytimp.bsky.social
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It's simple. Matter matters more than manner.

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NutMeg 's avatar NutMeg @casuallychaotic.bsky.social
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Aristocrats would never push someone into an oven. That's work for the servants.

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Kim's avatar Kim @kmbrly.bsky.social
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Nice people make good neighbours but will look away as you are taken to the ovens, live next door to people that are outraged, they will risk their live, livelihood or college graduation to stop it.

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Mandoqueer's avatar Mandoqueer @mandoqueer.bsky.social
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Aristocrats are the specific most likely people to do fascist shit.

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Stay Spicy, kids ♾️'s avatar Stay Spicy, kids ♾️ @howdidwegethere.bsky.social
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Not only can they, they'll do it with high morale and with the firm conviction that if they participated in enabling fascism they'll be protected for having done so... right up until it's their turn to be pushed into the ovens

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Staid Winnow's avatar Staid Winnow @staidwinnow.bsky.social
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It seems to be human nature that unless one experiences it for oneself, most bad outcomes are only theoretical. "It can't happen here," or "It cannot happen to me."

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Too Big to Fail's avatar Too Big to Fail @toobigtofail.bsky.social
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This was largely the message sent by the opening scene of Inglourious Basterds.

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Popehat's avatar Popehat @kenwhite.bsky.social
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30% of Americans will absolutely kill you, or me, if it’s fun or convenient or temporarily popular. The real action is in what percentage can’t be persuaded to give a shit.

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James Sloat's avatar James Sloat @jsloat.bsky.social
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A lot of people don't know that Franco had the Basque land bombed by Hitler's bombers. I know because I have Basque ancestry and some of my ancestors were killed by Franco/Hitler.

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James Debord's avatar James Debord @jamesdebord.bsky.social
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Yep. As a friend said "I don't care if they're nice. I care about who's going to fight against the brown shirts."

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Public Universal Ally's avatar Public Universal Ally @returnofmccarthy.bsky.social
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lol that's precisely who does it

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Geo Vaughan 🔜 AC 🐰 's avatar Geo Vaughan 🔜 AC 🐰 @geovaughan.bsky.social
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The same type of person who, upon hearing the sound of jackboots, steps aside and holds the door open with perfect civility and decorum.

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20C Germany falsified that position - people who were mannered and "decent" chose to participate in fascism and to rob and kill their neighbors for it, with Russia, China, Chile, and other countries providing further horse-beating. Not believing in gravity won't keep you from hitting the ground.

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Mary Branscombe 's avatar Mary Branscombe @marypcbuk.bsky.social
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invite anyone who is naive enough to believe that to consider how often Lord Rothermere hosted actual fascists at his country estate

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Dag.'s avatar Dag. @3fecta.bsky.social
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Lots of the fascist movers and shakers were middling business people in Germany. The equivalent to that right wing fail son who inherited his dad's car dealership in your area.

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Riverdaleboy's avatar Riverdaleboy @riverdaleboy.bsky.social
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Can and did

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#1 CIA POISONING VICTIM's avatar #1 CIA POISONING VICTIM @puzzlemathstar.bsky.social
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your friends are dumb as hell

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Môr Leidr's avatar Môr Leidr @bartiddu.bsky.social
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No one explores this better than C.P. Taylor in his play “Good” (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_(p... )
The horrible tragedy of our times is the growth of fascism in Israel. Netanyahu is the tip of an iceberg and Gaza is it’s ultimate pedicidal manifestation

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Mike Murphy's avatar Mike Murphy @mjamurphy.bsky.social
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I do wonder how much of what's happening today can be explained by the increasing loss of the generation who experienced fascism directly.

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BikeMikeBike's avatar BikeMikeBike @thespinner.bsky.social
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That is a nearly universal part of a Jewish upbringing: instilling a background but ever present vigilance about fascist strongmen, and about the banal processes that could turn fellow citizens against you (and against humanity itself). Those ingrained concepts are *screaming* in my thoughts now.

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✨𝓔ᦓꪻroᵈᒍ❕𝖓𝖓🫀's avatar ✨𝓔ᦓꪻroᵈᒍ❕𝖓𝖓🫀 @o-0.bsky.social
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The ones pushing us into the ovens will feign righteous indignation about us not filing into the line orderly enough, and then not liking "our tone" when we tell them to fuck all the way off.

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4d3fect's avatar 4d3fect @4d3fect.bsky.social
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Aristocrats have people for that.

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Mysti's avatar Mysti @mystilou.bsky.social
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I believe the Germans had names for both Suit Nazis and Boot Nazis. Robes are included in "Suit," I realize, a little too late.

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Gareth Oakland 🇫🇷🏏🏉's avatar Gareth Oakland 🇫🇷🏏🏉 @goakl.bsky.social
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My great grandmother would say “or cossacks”.

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Drew Kadel's avatar Drew Kadel @drewkadel.bsky.social
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Also "very nice people" who are confident they wouldn't do anything wrong. At Union Theological Seminary they have the magazines from the Deutsche Christen (pro-Hitler majority faction of the German church)-indistinguishable from American church magazines in most points.

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Saul Shapiro's avatar Saul Shapiro @sauldk.bsky.social
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The group of friends you refer to have perhaps not read Arendt.

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"most of my friends believe that manners and decorum mean that a person will not participate in fascism"

harpers.org/archive/1941... Classic party game!

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Myrea Rend's avatar Myrea Rend @myrearend.bsky.social
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The Wannsee Conference was a meeting of the Nazi equivalent of aristocrats.

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Eric Lint's avatar Eric Lint @ericlint.com
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This is what I call the Chamber Luncheon Problem. No one you talk kids or sports with at a Chamber luncheon can be bad, right? They seemed really nice in person! Say anything bad about them and you're being divisive and not engaging in civility.

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The Republican Party, like the Nazis, is all about stealing. Execute millions of Americans to steal their property, Republicans would happily do it.

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Goebbels didn't have Fox News, OAN, Newsmax, right-wing radio, The Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Sinclair Broadcasting, compliant and willful accomplices tech companies and useless other networks (ABC, CBS + NBC). Add a Republican Party with no morals/corrupt Republican Supreme Court Justices.

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A Holocaust survivor said his family never believed that the Germans would stoop so low (he and his family were sent to a concentration camp in 1942). "Nazi Book Burning" youtu.be/yHzM1gXaiVo?...
Republicans in Texas and Florida have banned Anne Frank's diary.

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Micah's avatar Micah @rincewind.run
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"There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do." - Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

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mxhrad's avatar mxhrad @mxhrad.bsky.social
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Wish some other people with Jewish grandmothers wouldn’t cozy up to fascists and Holocaust deniers because “it’s good for Israel.”

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Willow's avatar Willow @rockshrimp.bsky.social
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The term “good Germans” exists for a reason.

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Heidi Kitrosser's avatar Heidi Kitrosser @heidikitrosser.bsky.social
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I was just saying that this is a huge problem in elite legal circles. I’ve heard so many times to the effect that “so and so will be a reasonable judge or official, no need to worry,” based solely on the fact that they’re pleasant with colleagues and don’t have two heads.

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PlanetSaver66's avatar PlanetSaver66 @scoobydoobie.bsky.social
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thats where america seems to be headed for what ? a scam artist who paints himself orange

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Rebecca Shapiro's avatar Rebecca Shapiro @rebeccashapiro.bsky.social
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Always be skeptical. Never trust.

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your #3 source for absurdist true crime 🔨's avatar your #3 source for absurdist true crime 🔨 @davidgerard.co.uk
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(stares wild eyed in English aristocrat of the thirties)

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IzanamiC⛩️'s avatar IzanamiC⛩️ @izanamic.bsky.social
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My grandmother agrees with yours

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