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Courtney Milan@courtneymilan.com |
I often hear people talking about how we need to teach more than STEM but honestly I think the issue is more about who and what we valorize than what we teach. Peter Thiel studied philosophy. He’s still a goofy shitbag.`
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Evan May
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I read what I thought was a very good article a few years back about how teachers shouldn’t worry about being ‘objective’ and to teach a point of view. Because there are lots of others out there not shy with *their* points of view. I try to do that.
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Meredith
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When I think about teaching more than STEM, I’m usually imagining more elementary, middle and high school. We’ve gutted arts in ways I didn’t fully understand until my kid hit school age. It’s fucking grim out there. We need arts in elementary more than higher ed.
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Isabel Cooper
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Anecdata, but: 90% of philosophy major dudes I know (and 100% with advanced degrees in it) are Debate Me douchebags, so I totally agree.
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Dr. Raging Rosie 🌹📚🏴
@ragingrosie.bsky.social
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Yeah well humanities are full of pretentious future old white dudes, so….
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rifka the unhinged fat activist
@rifka.bsky.social
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Humanities don’t really stick without the broader sense of humility
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Hazel is still disabled in a pandemic
@phazel.bsky.social
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Most computer science degrees DO have some amount of material about ethics. Everyone knows it’s a waste of time and slogs through it. It doesn’t impart anything, it’s just a tick box exercise and everyone knows it. I say this as someone deeply concerned with ethics, tech, and social topics generally
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Mayor of Nowheresville
@thekasey.bsky.social
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This may not have anything to directly do with your post but in rural SC where I live (complicated) and teachers here may not be teaching what they are truly wanting to teach and it bothers me. For example a teacher wants to teach French and trained for it, but has to teach algebra. WTAF?
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dorian
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oh god (i didn't look at the replies yet so somebody may have said this) and the palantir guy
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Greg
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I wish people brought more class/materialist analysis to "tech bros". Usually the phrase describes prominent tech people, but these arent the workers in the tech: these are rich CEOs. They suck in the ways rich CEOs suck It just seems like people are relitigating arguments from college instead
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Courtney Milan
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I think there are very few STEM majors that don’t have to take some kind of distribution requirements somewhere. I strongly suspect the issue we’re having is that nobody is rewarded for having any value other than quarterly returns. A class in the humanities isn’t gonna fix that.
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Coolbone Minoxidil
@dingokayfabe.bsky.social
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Yeah, the movement toward cutting humanities gen ed requirements and pushing students to pursue a pure STEM education is not a positive, but it’s also definitely not the root problem
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Tom
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I rather suspect richer kids are more likely to pursue liberal arts, while poorer college students are more likely to seek career paths that lead to reliable jobs.
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Alex Merz
@merz.bsky.social
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Spot-on.
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antiprohibitionist
@antiprohibitionist.bsky.social
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Don't sleep on the social sciences.
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Pavel
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I've always thought the "study STEM!!!!" thing was a feint along the lines of "liberal arts for me, vocational training for the software mines for thee"
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Jane Ruffino
@janeruffino.bsky.social
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Literally had this convo earlier today. I always feel like, ok, yes, everyone should study the humanities. But they matter because they matter, not as a corrective for Extreme STEM Brain. It always feels like “you may have 50 minutes to prevent the most evil shit imaginable with one classic novel”
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Go Deep, I'll Look for You
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He’s a dangerous shitbag.
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Buffy Summers and Mr. Pointy
@buffyann1998.bsky.social
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No matter what you teach, teachers are human and students are human. They are going to reflect the expectations and moral codes in the world around them.
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Genevieve Marshall
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It's also gendered. Many of these subjects are seen as soft because women took them (also see biology). So inherently have less value in studying and learning because of it.
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El Topo
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I'm reminded of this famous line from A Fish Called Wanda -- "apes read philosophy Otto, they just don't understand it!"
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Tom
@stealthisbook.bsky.social
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I feel like people generalize their undergrad experiences too much about STEM vs humanities. At my school, the sciences were dominated by the last of the Cold War hawks. It's totally changed now in a progressive direction. Schools getting big time Raytheon grants might be going the other way.
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LillianOrlando
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JD Vance is the "result" another bottom feeder.
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Dr Throttling
@drthrottling.bsky.social
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“Goofy shitbag” is really letting him off quite lightly
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Knut Morå
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I also think it'd be good to teach a more human version of STEM (than at least I was taught)-- research requires craft, communication, judgement
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Sid Oozeley
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No STEM degrees for Republicans, full stop
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Yet Another Emily
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The philosophy folks had some weird ideas about ethics IMO. It was the moral equivalent of saying a word so frequently that it loses all meaning.
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Evo Daily
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Guys like Thiel study philosophy to learn how to spot peoples "tells" and weaknesses. They use manipulating and gas-lighting to feed their narcissism. The best sociopaths study behavioural science in one form or another from a early age.
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grank🔓
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ok but thiel is exactly what i think of when i hear "philosophy major"
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KyrQs
@kyrqslive.bsky.social
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We need to teach psychology at the same time we're teaching biology, psychics, chemistry etc. If we aren't yet.
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Rowsdower
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Personally i think we need to teach more statistics. There are too many people who dont understand that taking a vaccine is so much safer than popping a tylenol.
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Damien Miller
@damienmiller.bsky.social
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So did Lachlan Murdoch IIRC
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Mo the Protector
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I don’t disagree with your assessment as such. But this is societal. Stressing STEM ( I am still seething about the Arts not being included) will get some under represented groups to consider it. Placing yet another stressor on educators is ill advised.
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BraveryTEWalker
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Maybe it was just my school, but my high school was all about STEM and all the more art-leaning kids got screwed. The art teachers had to buy the class art supplies more times than not and the theater had black mold.
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Mike Headley (He/Him)
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Oh gosh. Just imagine how smug some of these bastards would be if they could cloak their bullshit in Official Real Philosophy (TM).
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Casmilus
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These boys just ain't got no good role models
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