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What records they will have will have been pirated by people who wanted to have copies of their own and couldn't get them any other way. But even those will have storage issues. Not just long term storage issues. There are formats from a decade ago that are hard to access now.
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Odie
@theodeity.bsky.social
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if there are usb ports, they will be non-supportive
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@gepandz.bsky.social
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Sounds like the problems the BBC had with the first season of Doctor Who. TV was seen as an extension of theatre, which could only be viewed live, so they reused the tapes for those episodes, just erased them. Years later, they had to find fans who'd taped the show live to rebuild it for rerelease
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rone
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Remember RealPlayer?
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justtyn.bsky.social
@justtyn.bsky.social
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This is why efforts to keep “obsolete” computing devices functional are so vital. Eventually, as with old enough texts, it will take an archivist who speaks the proper languages of computing and hardware to access certain data and storage mediums. History rhymes, indeed.
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Sasha HC 🏳️🌈
@morecocoa.bsky.social
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People forget with all the legal ruckus, but this was the original point of the Internet Archive.
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Scott Monje
@scottmonje.bsky.social
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Twenty years ago, a contributor sent me an article on a floppy disk, and the company no long had a computer suited for it.
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Mr. Glass
@mrglass.bsky.social
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The first 10 years of the Tonight Show with Carson are lost, except for a handful of episodes a single superfan had copied onto personal film reels.
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John Lowe
@archaeocore.bsky.social
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I did 4 issues of a small zine in the mid-90s. The layouts are saved on QuarkExpress on a Zip drive, so even if I had the hardware capacity I don’t have the software. But I also saved the hard copy paste ups. Not for any reason other than personal nostalgia.
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R. Francis Smith
@rfrancissmith.com
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Yeah, the pirated by people approach works iff they _continue_ to copy from each other (not necessarily the same people, of course, just new copies keep getting made) in a digital game of hot potato. (Where the potato is copied. Anyway.) The format issue is surmountable, but if all copies bitrot...
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Arash Mohebbi
@thatoldbear.bsky.social
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sounds like more contempt for the products he owns from Zaslav and his crew of fuckaroos.
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Ninjakick
@ninjakick.bsky.social
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I got a zipdisk full of Dead Kennedy bootlegs in MP2 format from the early 90s... Somehow... in my heart of hearts I know I could resurrect them.
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@tmmtx.bsky.social
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Piracy of TV shows is always a net plus to everyone, especially when large media conglomerates are involved.
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Robot Monkey Pants
@robotmonkypants.bsky.social
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Other than a potential rights issue, all those historical video clips should be posted on YouTube OR given to the Internet Archive as a time capsule of comedy. The MTV News clips would probably qualify as news/commentary and shouldn't have rights issues with a YT posting
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Puppet
@greenjoel.bsky.social
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Rome didn't fall from lead in the water but due to the inability to access bureaucratic records due to changing media storage technology.
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Fiona Moore (new story collection, Human Resources, out now)
@drfionamoore.bsky.social
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Assuming our species survives, future civilisations will assume we were an illiterate/oral tradition society, since very few physical records of our literature and art will remain.
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@ninjamonkky.bsky.social
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I mean, the Library of Congress and other organizations have contingency for this very kind of thing. However, I think it's a good illustration of why we need a Living Library of Congress as a companion to our physical one.
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Clint Hauser
@dch4.bsky.social
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Every time someone wants to go, "It's in the cloud!" has me responding, "You know that's just someone else's computer, right? It's not a magic land of infinite storage."
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Hero for Hire
@danlavoie.bsky.social
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For video games it can be the same. Much of the games pre 2010 are more or less lost with 90s and before having massive quantities being no longer available and on mediums that arent made to last.
gamehistory.org/87percent/
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Paul Arzooman
@zoopaul.bsky.social
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Leave the world behind.
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Sean Eric Fagan
@kithrup.bsky.social
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I was actually thinking about the Canadian show "Travelers," where the weakly-godlike AI from the future (which may have existed in the distant past) used internet records to decide who would be available as a host body. Clearly this is *happening now*, and someone is fighting back.
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New Year’s Revolution ✊🏳️🌈
@tekweenie.bsky.social
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I’ve got some DAT cassettes in the basement. Along with some JAZ and ZIP drives. Then again, I have an old wire recorder too….
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Andy J. T.
@ajtra.bsky.social
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There are old video games that would be lost if not pirated, since the companies didn't care about preserving them and old storage media isn't that durable
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Mike
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Some early Dr Who episodes were saved by private copies when BBC reused the video tapes.
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LCcamano
@lccamano.bsky.social
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"Guess I'll have to buy the White Album again."
youtu.be/bKlmoCzBPdw?...
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KevDog
@kevdog.bsky.social
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This is why I still have a SCSI Zip drive in my basement. I've loaned it out a couple of times for people to rescue things.
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Pete Milan
@petemilan.bsky.social
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And why was this done? Because the three CEOs of Paramount are trying to cut costs. The three CEOs. THREE. CEOS.
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Pvnk'd
@cynickal.bsky.social
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Didn't Charles Stross write about this? 😲
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The Film Optimist
@filmoptimist.blog
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"Can anybody reseed this torrent?" is the digital world's equivalent of "I'm hoping somebody taped this."
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Chris
@chris4man.bsky.social
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In "Space Seed" Spock stated that records were sketchy from the late 20th/early 21st centuries. Now we know why ;) Also explains why they're always obsessed with pre 20th century fiction & music. It's because only books & music manuscripts survived!
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Mark Freeman
@m60freeman.bsky.social
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I do hope that all those episodes are preserved somewhere, even if they are not available online anymore.
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Nick The Time Miser
@nscottg.bsky.social
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meanwhile VHS that are supposed to lose their data from magnetic decay an mold rot have lasted longer then CDs and DVDs the world sometimes makes no sense
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Adam O
@adamopp.bsky.social
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Have some great stuff archived on zip discs. My kingdom for a SCSI > USB-C adapter.
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bfltoons
@bfltoons.bsky.social
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So what do we do about it?
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David G.
@logophage.bsky.social
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There is no digital storage format/medium that has held up as well as even the crappiest paperback from the '70s.
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Jamie Hardt
@jpaulh.bsky.social
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Assuming there’s software that even reads an AVC stream or mp4 container in a hundred years, regardless of the medium.
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Greg Lastname
@orpach.bsky.social
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TV pirates tend to be really intent on standardising digital formats, so that part isn't too bad. Even if the quality might suck on older stuff. Still remember the hubbub about switching from divx to h264 for releases. ffmpeg existing will be a godsend to future librarians.
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Cameron
@sweetcammymac.bsky.social
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How much do we know about the ancient Egyptians after they got to their emoji stage?
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Becca
@spandrella.bsky.social
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So much of what we have of the past survived by accident. The Dead Sea Scrolls were originally buried b/c they were worn out. There's ancient Greek writings that we only have because the Romans stole them for their libraries. We try to game the odds, but the survival of anything is a crapshoot.
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Alicia
@foodycatalicia.bsky.social
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We (for an admittedly certain value of "we") spent years lamenting the loss of old celluloid film through both accidental and deliberate destruction but now we're in pretty much the same place.
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Larry Flint
@laryatflint.bsky.social
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Not exactly the same, but I still listen, almost every day, to cassette tapes I recorded nearly half a century ago 🤣
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Robert
@robaato.bsky.social
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There is one clip from the Colbert Report and one clip from Jon Stewart's Daily Show that I would go back and watch from time to time. Ain't no way I'm subscribing to a whole other streaming service just for that.
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Patrick Calder
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As someone who recently came across a bunch of Real Audio files in my archives...
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