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Faine Greenwood@faineg.bsky.social |
Lot of people on here seem to assume that the US military is basically as bad as US police when it comes to “being totally dominated by frothing MAGA freaks.” This is absolutely NOT the case.
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marcosantana
@marcosantana.bsky.social
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True.
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Gemini
@gemdrgn.bsky.social
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my read is that the further up the chain from 'grunt' the lower the concentration of maga
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Perry!🀄
@experimilk.bsky.social
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Yeah to be honest I expect autogolpe 2 before they just hand him the football again
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@ramsandhoosiers.bsky.social
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Ironically post-integration and the draft recruitment efforts focused in on racial minorities and other members of economic underclasses!
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Tapani Hopkins
@tapani-hopkins.bsky.social
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How have they avoided being taken over, BTW? That's one of the first institutions many dictators have tried to corrupt.
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Phasmatic
@phasmatic.bsky.social
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Border Patrol are the real Sturmabteilung.
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Books are for Reading 📚 ✨️ 🦋
@bluestskies.bsky.social
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Thank God for Retired General Mark A. Milley who served as the 20th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the nation's highest-ranking military officer, and the principal military advisor to the President. Too bad that he's Retired! Let's hope that there are MANY, MANY more like him.
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Tim Shea
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Every family member that took a military stint came out a better well rounded person.
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Spring-Heeled Jack Skelington
@skullsneuro.bsky.social
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I do think this might be regional. My experience with military people is very heavily steeped in MAGA and full blown White Supremacy. But I’m also on the coast and 2001-2006 or 2007 recruitment targeted a lot of Islamophobia and weird nationalism in my area.
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Mackenzie
@mackenzievogt.bsky.social
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The "Jay from Huntsville" call into the Paul Finebaum show is an all-timer in this regard about the military changing people's views.
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Jamie
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From what I have heard, it’s yes and no. A lot of average people, especially racial minority people, people from US Caribbean and Pacific territories, people of all ethnicities trying to get away from rough upbringing. Then you have the people who signed up because ‘murica.
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Elana Levin
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And there’s organizations of progressive military veterans. Several. I’m blanking on org names but the last Democratic primary in Staten Island was between two vets— one progressive, one corporate. www.thenation.com/article/poli...
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Elana Levin
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I want to remind people —- notice that Virginia is a swing state now?! And part of that is Dems being forced out of DC & into the burbs by high rent, part of that is immigrant voters and part of that is the military vote which includes ex-gop never trumpers & many normie Dems.
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David Rafferty
@davidrafferty.bsky.social
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The pertinent question for the next 1-2 years though is, when it comes down to it, will soldiers be willing to shoot cops in defence of democracy? Although I imagine any reluctance would disappear when the cops start shooting them.
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Karl Henderson
@karlsoap.bsky.social
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This matches my experience of the 8 years I was in the army. It's as diverse as the country. Far right are there too but the most extreme tend to get themselves into disciplinary trouble.
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J Leahy
@jamesleahy.bsky.social
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Unlike cops, the military values critical thinking amongst its officer corp
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left-bokononism
@redletter.bsky.social
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Ironically, the largest non-capitalist economy in the world
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the corgi from cowboy bebop
@realqrampage.bsky.social
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people forget that the military specifically targets poor kids for recruitment, using benefits/stability as a big draw, and therefore you have a lot of people in the military who would not otherwise choose to be there
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Dal
@dalstrus.bsky.social
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Case in point: me, a frothing socialist freak
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Lettuce Ophelia Violet Electra
@latisserande.bsky.social
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I imagine it's different in the US where for many people the military is the only way to get healthcare or education without drowning in debt right away. in most european countries though? the military actually IS "the cops, but somehow more fash"
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AlwaysImBack
@alwaysimback.bsky.social
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I have relatives that joined to get a college degree when there was absolutely no money for that at home.
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Kris (@atxcopywriter on the old place)
@khicks.bsky.social
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During the first Trump term, when I was freaking out about a dictatorship, one of the things that calmed me down the most was my little bro (who's air force) telling me that the military doesn't like Trump enough to back him. (Of course, the cops seem to like him and are plenty militarized)
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Pavel
@spavel.bsky.social
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AOC had a long post to tune of "the military is the closest America has been able get to fully automated luxury communism" and it made a lot of people very upset
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Go Deep, I'll Look for You
@godeep.bsky.social
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Not yet. There’s some hot spots though.
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Morticia91
@morticia91.bsky.social
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Problem is, that's all we see in the media unless it's far-right "Suhport ARE troops!" media. We see sexual assaults on female servicemembers, Jan 6th rioters stating they are veterans, a military that forced the Vindman brother out. You tell me why the Maga perception persists.
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Bob E. Wise
@bobewise.bsky.social
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Fayetteville, NC (Ft. Liberty) and Clarksville, TN (Ft. Campbell) have both been reliably blue the last few cycles. Mil families haven't been thrilled with our military adventures since 9/11. In '08 the Obama share of the mil vote (incl. fams & vets) were within 10 pts of McCain, a legit war hero.
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@werechicken.bsky.social
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Yeah but They still won’t question their orders.
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CT Queer Guy
@ctqueerguy.bsky.social
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There’s a fair amount of enlisted/officer divide in this. Enlisted, especially senior enlisted, do have a lot. Part of this is correlation with education.
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Felonious Monk 📚
@feloniousmonk.bsky.social
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I have seen SO many claims by Gravy Seals that either they could stand up to military attacks, or that the military would join them. Given that soldiers are trained to follow orders, the latter is unlikely. The former is a fucking joke. A Marine fire team would clear their whole town in an hour.
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HudsonRiverCroc
@hudsonrivercroc.bsky.social
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TBQH, we do not want to test it either way. We should not have to.
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surlyone he/him don't assume I am straight OR white
@surlyone.bsky.social
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I tend to agree … I served 82-91 … BEFORE DADT … and sure there WAS a core of racist, homophobic, assholes, but I also got help from shipmates who KNEW I was queer… and covered for me when they had no reason to.
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Ivan Gayton
@ivangayton.bsky.social
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Wait, what, really? Grew up in Canada, not much contact with US military culture, but assumed it was pretty MAGA... If not, that's slightly hopeful...
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Ashton
@ashtonk.bsky.social
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I keep saying this, who the military backs in a hypothetical authoritarian takeover is far from certain. They tend to be much less predictable than that. Cops though… cops almost always back the authoritarian.
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chatham harrison is tending a new garden
@chathamharrison.bsky.social
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It doesn't offer nearly the same incentives. If you want to go power-tripping, scrubbing greasy truck parts or digging holes to sleep in isn't a great way to go about it
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Ashley Fairbanks
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There are quite a lot of them in there, though. Just coming from living in "Military City, USA" Also I think it really depends on what branch you're talking about. Like the Air Force, sure. Marines? Eek.
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The Prankster: Spocking Fives
@prankster36.bsky.social
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There's a reason the right have avoided instituting the draft since Vietnam, even during the height of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. An army that actually pulls from a representative cross-section of America is a lot of trained and disciplined people getting harder to control.
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Charlie Thomas
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This is where I sort of wish more of MilTwitter had made the migration over to here, if just so folks could get a feel for how diverse the viewpoints are in that community. There are chuds but there are a LOT of influential voices that support small l liberal values to their bones.
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Johnny Oakville
@johnnyoakville.bsky.social
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Officer ranks more MAGA but enlisted ranks definitely more progressive. Might be what saves us from military backing Trump coup attempt.
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Classy Warfare
@classywarfare.bsky.social
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Oh man, youre landing on all my hobby-horses today Anyway, the plural of anecdote isn’t data, but:
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Daniel Delgado #CeasefireNow
@ddelgadovive.bsky.social
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Yet even so, they still take money to murder us, destroy our countries, and set up dictators over us. So excuse me if it all looks the same from down here.
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Susan Bigelow 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
@whateversusan.bsky.social
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Military is one of the most diverse institutions we have, people from all backgrounds there. Cops, not so much.
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Blanx, but National Champs
@senorblanxo.bsky.social
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Cops mostly couldn't qualify for actual military service.
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Elizabeth Tamny
@etamny.bsky.social
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Yes to all this. A real difference between The Military as a rhetorical rightwing construct & people who actually serve, what they wrestle with, how they think. Military also looks much different than the RW archetype and has for a very long time! My (Navy brat +) Navy dad is lifelong Dem
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Jon Pennington
@jonpennington.bsky.social
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The military takes all comers who meet certain basic requirements. Police don't. Military members are forced to stick together if they don't like each other culturally or ideologically. Police can purge dissenters & square pegs.
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It's Aunt Masha to you
@mashamasha.bsky.social
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I have a vivid memory of the cops getting all the way behind Trump no questions asked, while the military was, to say it mildly, less in a hurry to do so.
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Frame the Narrative
@framethenarrative.bsky.social
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It would probably shock people to know that much, if not most, of the officer corps was against the invasion of Iraq, for example
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Matt Murphy, PhD
@mjosmurphy.bsky.social
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Maybe an n of 1, but the military folks I know are all Boogaloo and Proud Boy types.
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Wattle of Bits 🏳️🌈
@wattle.bsky.social
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Isn't the Air Force overrun with fanatical Evangelicals?
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Howdini
@howdini.bsky.social
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Air force in silver springs has had a decades-long problem with evangelical theocratic infiltration, tho, which is pretty troubling
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Vitalivour
@vitalivour.bsky.social
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Kinda funny, my brother was very conservative before joining the Marine Corps. Two tours in Iraq later, he became much less conswrvative and much more aware of how bad our country sucks. Nowadays, he is a full-blown ally to queer people, massively involved in his local community, etc.
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Kw1q51|v3r_Vorian | KeRS|Vorianien | 是妳教我和平示威是沒用
@kw1q51lv3r.bsky.social
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Did we forget the airman who self-immolated recently as a protest over US involvement in the genocide
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Greg Andraste Sideyr
@andraste.fuckbgp.com
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I will, and have, say though, the military radicalizes almost everyone. Just a matter of which way they go. I know it was my turning point to the left
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Taco Bell's Cannon
@jamtoday.bsky.social
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I remember a vote counter in Wisconsin or Minnesota or one of those states who tried to throw out military ballots when they were Democratic votes, because she assumed they must be fraudulent, she didn't believe anyone in the military was a Democrat.
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David Lebo
@leboism.bsky.social
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let's not forget that Trump spending all that time shit talking Mattis permanently scarred him in the eyes of many Marines
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Elsk
@elsk.bsky.social
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Absolutely. I know ex-military folks who saw articles decrying "the militarization of police" and said "it's not even moral or disciplined enough to evoke the actual military. It's military cos play"
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Etrigan
@etrigan.bsky.social
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I was in Macedonia during the 2000 election. Bunch of my friends at home were freaking out that the military would get involved. Now, I was always at least the second-leftiest person in whatever unit I was in, so I thought, "Hmm..." and started carefully probing people as to what they'd do.
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Richard Keppler 🦋
@richardkeppler.bsky.social
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I work with a lot of former military people and we meet with current military people a lot. They are absolutely reasonable. The frothing MAGAs are people who were never in uniform but grew up on Fox News and Limbaugh.
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DJ Mac
@djmax.bsky.social
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Active service members supported Hillary over Trump by greater margins than the general public in 2016. As with the economy, Democrats are the counterintuitive winners on the issue (maybe because Democratic messaging is typically focused on institutional instead of constituent concerns).
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