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b-boy bouiebaisse@jbouie.bsky.social |
there is no world in which biden drops out and the nominee isn’t kamala harris. and i think it is very interesting that the loudest calls for biden to drop out do not acknowledge this fact.
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M Ramberg
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Are you not saying what it sounds like you are not saying?
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@regalpastry.bsky.social
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There are a lot of journalists and pundits who will skip right over her as they talk of Biden's age, possible replacements (Fantasy League), avoid talking about the V.P. and the Cabinet Biden has as being a competent team (though State has difficulties that shouldn't have transpired)
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A Shiny Blue Thing Collected By A Bird
@shinybluething.bsky.social
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An important thing to note about this is that it's almost certain that the reason nobody is saying it is rooted, unavoidably, first, in racism and second, in sexism. Her politics, however one feels about them, are a trailing third.
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Royal 👑
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I find it very hard to believe at this point that the Dems could swap candidates and have any chance of winning
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Crazy Cat Lady Abroad
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I'm not necessarily opposed to a few of the white male alternatives (Newsom or Buttigieg, e.g.) on their own merits--but only at some vague future date when it's "their turn." If aliens abducted President Biden tomorow, it's got to be VP Kamala Harris. That's how it works, and we go to the VP.
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Patrick Reid
@oldmandoc.bsky.social
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Out of curiosity has there been any recent polling on how Kamala ( or any of the other proposed candidates) would do against trump?
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True Tourtillott
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It’s Bernie bro wish-casting
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Kavi
@brittexkavi.bsky.social
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I recently read Frederick Douglas’s writings pertaining to consecutive terms. His argued that a 1st term President is forced to compromise their values to appeal to moderates & thereby fail to represent their base. I agree & think we’d be better off if primaries were not the exception but the rule.
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MsCynMet
@cynmet.bsky.social
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Also the money donated to Biden can't just be grabbed up by someone else, I heard. It's not a party fund, it's in the candidate's name? Obvi that doesn't apply to GOP since their guy pays his porn star case legal fees with campaign funds.
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Jason Birzer
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While I don't get the rejection of Harris as a possibility, I also don't think you are right that Harris has to be the choice. Her profile isn't any higher than other potential contenders. If things go that direction, it is uncharted territory to a certain extent.
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@trixienorton.bsky.social
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I'm seeing people wondering if Harris wouldn't do better. Maybe not the loudest voices, but they make a lot of sense to me.
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🔻US Taxes Fund Israeli Warcrimes🔻
@bigamishdoinks.bsky.social
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Damn. It's almost like the democratic party is a shambling failure!
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@dburx.bsky.social
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Correct, except in a sane world the Dems would not be so keen on suicide. And even in this one, maybe? If US won't elect Biden, nor Harris, choose a reasonable alternative. If they can't, they don't deserve to win.
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KCJeff
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That's fine. I have more faith in Kamala than Trump or any of his potential running mates.
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@sneezycat.bsky.social
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It’s all Gavin or Buttigieg or Whitmer and that’s so telling and insane
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Unburdened by what has Been
@easyphloem.bsky.social
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If Kamala becomes the nominee, would that be the first presidential candidate to not get a single vote in their party's primary?
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Christopher Shea
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Oh, I've been noticing for a while that the people who say that Harris must step aside if Biden does never give actual reasons *why* she should do so. They just take it as given that she's unfit.
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Eric Fox
@ericmfox.bsky.social
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The goal of every politician is to stay in office. Everywhere, every time.
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DoublePuppin’
@mattfreund.bsky.social
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But in my fantasy world where there are no negative repercussions…
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@ianmil.bsky.social
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Yep, just look at her defense of Biden on CNN last night. Not impressive. Bailing on Biden for her isn’t an improvement.
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Scott #ACAB Black Lives Matter Menor 🍉
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I won’t vote for genocide Joe. Not a fan of her in many ways but unlike him I can vote for her and the people who won’t are mostly not voting D anyway
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Ghosty 👻
@ghostyspook.bsky.social
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And if he has to step down next year she will be president. Which is cool with me but lord do people not want to talk about it
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Joel McLemore
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It has been pretty common for the incumbent President to do poorly in the first debate, and it’s rarely had much impact. People are overreacting.
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Chair of the Sewer Maintenance Board
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Everyone is just wishcasting all their fantasies about Newsom or Pritzker. Hey that'd be neat but that just ain't how this works.
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Joan Walsh
@joanwalsh.bsky.social
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It seems we have had this conversation before...
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@roslynn.bsky.social
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Very true
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Julia
@quotiazelda.bsky.social
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So much this.
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chrisincal.24
@chrisincal.bsky.social
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I like Kamala Harris. She would make an excellent transformational President. Smashing the patriarchy is always a great next step. Critically a non-WWII associated person (fought in & boomed after.)
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@leonceg.bsky.social
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Also, for normal Americans, Harris has been out of sight for the past 4 years. She has the room to redefine herself as a person with a vision for the country. The question is if she has the stuff to ignore the Dem Elite who coached Biden into a coma last night.
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RFK Jr for Super Bowl MVP
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Fine Harris then: if I've argued Tim Kaine (the blanket candidate i could think of) would have won last night by comparison to an insane Trump, then id guess Kamala would have dogwalked him for blocks.
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Durrell
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Yeah, I don't understand why people are being so ignorant to this. Like we all have clearly known since like 2020 that Biden is giving a backdoor pilot to Kamala, and she's CLEARLY supposed to be NEXT Something tells me the next ticket is potentially Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom, but that's 2028.
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Mitchell Epner
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The only thing I know *for certain* about the future is that it has not happened yet. I can imagine a world where VP Harris steps aside to become a SCOTUS Justice. I have no idea if she would accept that. I’m saying *I* can imagine it, if VP Harris were convinced she could not win as nominee.
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Ben Feddersen
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"We should drop our elected nominee and replace him with the younger and more popular...you know! The person! There's gotta be someone around here somewhere!"
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Alex O
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I think Harris would be a stronger candidate, and it seems like the one thing the left and center wings of the party agree about right now is Bidens age issues. I realize it’s unlikely, but the existential Trump threat is exceptional and deserves an exceptional approach. Why sleepwalk into the fire?
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Michael Kerns
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There is no world in which Biden drops out, full stop.
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@duffey.bsky.social
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Hakeem Jeffries would be a good choice. Kamala Harris, bless her heart, just does not have the support.
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Nfinit
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It'd have to be Kamala; it's the only thing that makes sense; even the 2020 candidates are still non-factors. It's just frustrating how the party has spent zero time at all building her as the future-- even should Biden win she'd still need to be the pick in '28.
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Thiago Krause
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I’d like to read a piece that expound your reasoning on that front, as I think everything is too uncertain right now. I do think she’s the most likely candidate, though, and that in no way diminishes my fervent wish for Biden to dropout.
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Sock Puppet Pundit
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Because they don’t want to admit that our country is full of sexists, racists, and bigots who would rather see our country turn into a Christofascist dictatorship than have a woman or a minority in the Presidency.
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En Buen Ora
@enbuenora.bsky.social
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they prefer Biden drop out in favor of Johnny Unbeatable, who is a guy that absolutely 100% will win, and we don't know any more about him than that
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Professor Vibes
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Honestly part of the reason I’m not so concerned is that if Biden becomes mentally unfit or dies in office Kamala Harris is super capable.
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Wrycke
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Honestly I think the only way to not tear the party apart would be for Joe to just full-stop resign and Harris would run as the incumbent. All academic though since it won't happen. One of those guys on the stage last night will be sworn in as president in January.
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Charles C Bentley
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No way... Open Convention could be a potential boon. Excitement index high with stuff like "will Gore get drafted," etc. 'Course w/ nobody opposed to Zionism nor NATO adventurism, they'll blow it. Odds on, we get Newsom.
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HadEnoughRight-WingBS
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There may be exceptions, but those who are most eager for President Biden to step down are also among the most critical of Vice President Harris. It’s as if they’re preemptively ready to nuke her, too.
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Claire
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Oh there still absolutely that world the whole racial culture war would pop off, it's like they're just waiting to blow that dog whistle. It would be horrible for everyone, it's going to get socially nasty & that's why Joe is still standing. Have no doubt tho vote Joe get Kamala.
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Carpinche
@claiborne.bsky.social
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Yglesias at least explicitly calls for Biden to step aside for Harris
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@eagrierson.bsky.social
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Those loud callers were also calling for her to be dropped from the ticket not too long ago. I get not being thrilled that Biden is our candidate, but no one has convinced me we're not shooting ourselves in the foot if remove him.
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Ryan Casey
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Yeah, we're stuck. Our time to pick someone else was in the primaries, or in 2020's primaries. And now we're in trouble for not fighting against the railroad to Biden harder
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Lia Vandammit
@bistromath.bsky.social
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They WANT to run against Kamala and get the benefit of anti black & anti woman bias.
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NanBP
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It’s frustrating because Kamala is an excellent politician- great debater, quick with comebacks, incredibly intelligent, poised, ACCOMPLISHED and, full disclosure, who I wanted in 2020. We KNOW why ppl aren’t talking about her- racism and sexism and it’s disgusting. That said-we don’t remove Biden.
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Citizen Kang
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That may be the case but to use a baseball reference do you want to keep the starting pitcher in there who is quite literally dead on his feet or bring in the reliever who might throw some heat or might walk in the run. Biden is a 100% loss right now.
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Jordan Miller
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@ljevans.bsky.social
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And isn't it interesting that after four straight cycles with either a woman, a PoC, or both on the ticket, suddenly all these Very Serious (White) Pundits are going nuts for a mediocre white guy and/or a white woman who nearly got kidnapped?
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sean
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I can’t tell if the handwringing right now is people actually care about the debate last night or we just think people will care about last night. I also really dislike the idea that only a select few are aware that Trump lied for 2 straight hours. But I really want this to end debates in general
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Tracy Brooks
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Arik Hesseldahl
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Debates have no predictive value on elections. - Allan Lichtman. Google him.
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Ryan Joseph
@rmjoseph23.bsky.social
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Also, there’s no world where Biden drops out, sans actually dying. The feed is wild. That’s your candidate—go support his ass against the fascist!
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jcc333
@jcc333.bsky.social
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Harris/Kelly ‘24 seems like the next likeliest outcome after Biden/Harris ‘24
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@scorinaldi.bsky.social
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Presumably if Biden we're convinced to "step aside" they could convince Harris to do the same. After that they could free their delegates to choose whoever they wanted at a convention. Unlikely I know but there's no law of nature in this once folks agree.
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Derek Moreland (He/Him)
@shmonstermaker.bsky.social
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I promise this is a serious question: is Kamala a worse option *at this point*?
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Jason
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No no no no, Biden can drop out and some random Democrat will show up and despite having done zero campaigning and having no ground infrastructure whatsoever, will sail into the White House! Don't need Harris either. Maybe run with Oprah. This is a very real and plausible scenario!
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Simon Huddlestone
@huddy99.bsky.social
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As a foreigner looking in I’m dumbfounded that the Dems have over the past year slow walked into this catastrophe for them and the rest of the world. They need a centreist handsome white 50 yr old Senator/Governor, pronto, otherwise USA becomes a fascist state & the whole world is in trouble.
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Bob Booten
@bobooten.bsky.social
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The whole point of the Biden is too old freakout is Kamala Harris a black woman is potentially the next president .
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@rothofkhan.bsky.social
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Yeah. As much as I would love to see someone like Pritzker on the ballot, there simply isn’t enough time for anyone to get a coalition together to actually challenge Trump. And anyone who loses this one is probably DOA for any attempt to win in 2028.
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Dave Weigel
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I am weirdly pollyannish about Harris/Dem X versus Trump. The "cheapfake/selective video" convo fits better with Harris - bc she makes little news, all people see of her are the wackiest/loopiest quotes. The basic "you lied to us and said Biden could handle it" problem is bigger.
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Dennis D.
@dennisdoubleday.bsky.social
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A VP is picked to balance the ticket. That doesn't mean that's the best standard-bearer. Hypothetical: Biden drops dead and Harris becomes the incumbent Prez. I don't think that guarantees her the nom because when she actually ran the Dem electorate showed a remarkable lack of enthusiasm for her.
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@sainttimonious.bsky.social
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The Democratic base is primarily women and minorities. So they want the female black candidate to drop out so they can get "someone better"?
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Donna L
@donnalfromny.bsky.social
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If he does drop out I would have no problem voting for Kamala. Joe's awful debate doesn't wipe out all the badness of Trump
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Julia Azari
@juliaazari.bsky.social
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yes, the insistence that Biden drops out seem to assume that there's a magical nominee waiting, or that they could somehow nominate Whitmer and there would be no issues or pitfalls there. (Whitmer seems great in many ways, but there would be issues and pitfalls for sure)
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Zetsubo
@zetsubo.bsky.social
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AND OUT OF NOWHERE COMES AMY KLOBUCHAR WITH A STEEL CHAIR
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Katrina Lehto
@lithera.bsky.social
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Is there even a way to make that happen? Like ballots are set for most states - wouldn't she have to be a write-in? I don't understand the logistics of how it would work or if it could work.
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Al G Rhythm
@algrhythm.bsky.social
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You're right on both points: 1) there is no world in which Biden drops out; and, even if he did, it's Kamala Harris in the driver's seat. A soft debate performance against an authoritarian, womb-controlling convicted felon? It's time to be calm and carry on, instead of being wishy-washy Democrats.
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Maximum Mary
@maximummary.bsky.social
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I have come to realize that I am ideologically of the left, but not tactically. Makes you realize that they not only demand you agree with them, but do things their way.
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JustCynthia
@cynthianevil.bsky.social
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Right? Why leap directly to Gavin Newsom when brilliant, qualified KAMALA HARRIS is right there?! It’s utter bollocks.
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Nolan Zugernat
@zugernat.bsky.social
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Yes. Harris won election and the nomination as VP. You cannot pass her over for someone no one has voted for.
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EAll
@ealluia.bsky.social
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You can easily see in this fact alone how there is a substantial risk of an intra-party fight and its attendant sore feelings for people who backed the loser if Biden drops out.
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my dogs are better people than i am
@dascoochie.bsky.social
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and actively say a white person should be the nominee. Yeah ok we see you people saying that
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Tyler King
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Like it’s crazy to me some people are calling for Democrats to install a candidate no one voted for. Anyone but the VP would be outrageous.
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The Badger
@norbertsykes.bsky.social
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That kind of thinking leaves us in "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" territoty :-/
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Silky Weineck
@silkyweineck.bsky.social
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in my wildest fantasies, Harris gets AG and Pritzker, Whitmer, or Shapiro get the nom, but i don’t see the path either.
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reality check 🤔🤷♂️
@realitycheck.bsky.social
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Betting markets currently give Newsom a better chance of becoming the nominee than Harris.
www.predictit.org/markets/deta...
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That Queer Writer
@falcc.bsky.social
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As bad as her record is she looks so much better than Biden now that everyone should be clamoring for her to be out in front.
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Cardinal Signs
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I can't believe the number of people that think the DNC is cohesive and organized enough to find an entirely new candidate everyone agrees on before the convention.
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