one of my deep seated beliefs is that elephants are one of the other high level intelligences on this planet and that if there is a judgment day humanity will be held to account for our crimes against them www.theguardian.com/science/arti...
the human history of concepts like judgment day is intimately connected to seeing ourselves as different from nature. let's take responsibility right now. not only are animals persons, humans are animals.
I would like to think, if they are as intelligent or near so as us, they will see which specific humans to blame :/ because many of us don’t want them any harm
I like how for basically any culture from a region near elephants, they are constantly making paintings and sculptures of elephants for as far back as we can see
“One of the other… intelligences” say humans, always assuming we are the head honchos. Of course we think we are!
But I would bet that elephants believe they’re in charge of Earth, as do the whales, and likely the squirrels in my backyard believe they are the true kings of earth. Perhaps they are!
I recall reading, somewhere, a compelling case that elephants had a thriving, generational culture, and humans, being unable or unwilling to recognize it, wiped it out almost entirely. I mean, not like we haven't done the same to our own species, but this seemed even more tragic. Crushed me.
YouTube videos in which elephants CLEARLY react to humans with the same kind of “awww” factor we have for puppies absolutely erased any doubt I had about their intelligence
I went to Prague zoo about 5 years ago. There was an elephant with a star tattoo, obviously ex-circus. You could visibly tell it had PTSD. At one point it repeatedly hit its head against a wall.
I've always found it to be a dilemma between making sure these guys have amazing lives but also how countries that do great with conservation like Botswana have trouble with dealing with elephants negatively impacting human habitation and agriculture due to their presence
I’d add to this potentially what we do to *all* animals. How many other species have thoughts, emotions, and language that is like elephants but we can’t (yet) understand it.
It's kinda humbling that humans' dominance of Earth may be entirely due to having opposable thumbs and being covered in sweat glands.
OTOH it must be crazy frustrating for other intelligent species to be unable to create anything from their ideas nearly as complex as we do from ours
i am reminded of the time a researcher played the sound of a dead elephant through a hidden speaker. that elephant's family went wild searching and were wailing for days.
i hate us.
I have believed since I was a child that elephants are better and wiser than people, and all of the evidence I've found learning about them has only deepened that belief.
I'm convinced the only reason elephants aren't a highly tool-using civilization is they have to spend so much time eating that it's not worth it to them.
(Octopus/squid are smart enough, and can manipulate tools well, but they can't teach their children anything because they die first)
"Names were not always used in the elephant calls. But when names were called out, it was often over a long distance, and when adults were addressing young elephants."
Azibo!!! It's dinner time!!!!
If you're not invested in the suffering and slaughter of other species and trying to keep your cognitive dissonance afloat, their sentience and intelligence is so clear.
The bacteria are going to win and the result in 500 million years that actually builds a warp drive will have a random number from 278 to 2078 arms
Elephants are a blip
TBH I think they show more morality and "humanity" than many great apes whose behavior is often profoundly ego centric and "amoral" (relative to our understanding). Elephants seem far less self centered and caring.
there is a passage in du bois’ “the world and africa” where he laments the slaughter of elephants and it makes me cry every time i read it. when i have a moment i’ll post it
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It always puzzles me that we find feeling for creatures with high level intelligence but ignore the plight of pigs and rats.
It must be due to bacon and creatures that want to steal your bacon.
Most definitely agree
Given human behaviour, there are days when it's hard not to hope for accountability - but I'd rather we can get some movement on such things now, for all creatures' sake 🙏
One of the few actually positive applications of AI is that it’s allowing us to decode animal languages. Bats, for example, argue over food, distinguish between genders, and have individual names for each other. www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-...
This reminded me about prairie dogs and how they tell each other a predator is nearby, distinguishing if human or coyote. They could describe a human with what colors they were wearing and if they had a gun. 😐 www.cbc.ca/news/science...
I read stories about how other species turn out to be far more intelligent than we understood (Douglas Adams did it with dolphins and mice), and I find myself wishing it was true and that they would ultimately step in and take over. We've proved we can't manage ourselves.
When it comes to intelligence:
Elephants: just chillin, having fun.
Dolphins: just chillin, having fun.
Humans: destroying our own living environment while poisoning our food sources and hoarding resources while children starve.
I was floor mates in college with a gal who was legit royalty in Pakistan and she told me about a time a wedding party was ruined by elephants that got drunk on fermented fruits and crashed through the fences and then fucked shit up.
I like to think that, should aliens visit Earth, they conclude with "we've found the superior form of intelligent life forms on that planet. The big grey ones with long noses. Fascinating and enchanting."
Whenever I think of elephants I think about the woman who got killed by an elephant and then the elephant showed up later to trample on her cough and at our funeral because elephants do not forget.
There was a story from Sheldrick Wildlife Trust in Kenya recently where a herd of elephants came across an orphaned elephant and escorted him all the way to the sanctuary. There are also tales of injured elephants turning up there, even ones that aren’t ex-orphans. It’s incredible.
No one is going to be held to account for anything. There are 8 billion humans and we need land. There isn't room for big animals. They exist at the margins, at our pleasure. Their populations are all in long-term decline and sooner or later they will be gone. It will just be us and the cockroaches.
I think basically all other creatures are much more self-aware and have more complex communication than humans generally accept. Elephants seem particularly self-aware.
Supposedly they have a better understanding of death than basically any other animal except humans. Like, they'll try and get the bones of other elephants back if humans take them away.
I feel the same way about orcas. They have languages that are clearly distinct across regions. They have complex social structures and display high empathy towards one another.
I feel sick to my stomach every time I see images of them performing in captivity. It must be torture for them.
I firmly believe the captors of Topsy the elephant are in h*ll for electrocuting her as a publicity stunt. Humans have a long line of sins towards animals to pay for.
There’s a Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal comic where the punchline is, “when the robots declared war on humanity, the animals joined in…on the side of the robots.”
Octopuses, Elephants, and Crows. When people talk about wanting to communicate with aliens, I wonder why they don't want to communicate with the non-human intelligences here.
You might be interested in this. We've known this about elephants & a few other species (dolphins, whales, apes, corvids, etc.) for a while, but the more scientists learn, the more they discover there's a lot more cognition in a lot more animals than we thought. www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...
I'd take it a step further. If I was President I'd appoint human ambassadors for Cephalopods, Cetaceans, Apes, and Elephants charged with oversight of habitat restoration, repatriation, and specifically earmarked foreign aid.
And I'm not even vegan; it's just objectively correct.
My main takeaway from reading and studying philosophy for a long time is that we overestimate human cognitive capacities and grossly underestimate animal cognitive capacities.