The frequently asserted conservative belief that liberals grow up in bubbles and aren't exposed to conservative ideas and so need to be forced to be exposed to conservative ideas is so far removed from reality it's insulting.
I got my "liberal ideas" because my dad, a conservative, preached how Bush helped get so many executions done as governor during the 2000 election, and I was five.
conservatives are the ones in a bubble. they truly believe that everyone thinks like them and the dissenters are a tiny margin. they have no idea that 70% of the country wants abortion, believes in human caused climate change, wants gun control, etc etc.
Every time a conservative complains about being silenced, I wonder "by whom?". I went to UMCP in the mid to late aughts and they simply were never capable of shutting the fuck up.
Some of my earliest memories are of my grandad being long term unemployed after Thatcher deliberately destroyed the industry he worked in to break the unions, and people in my family being called 'the enemy within' by the Prime Minister.
Would have loved to grow up away from conservative ideas.
it’s the usual projection thing, too: it’s far more likely you’ll get the kid who grew up in a heavily right-wing area with no liberals (or, more accurately, the few liberals there not risking bullying or worse) being exposed to them for the first-time in college than the other way around
It’s so hard to know what conservatives believe, what with the belligerent flags and bumper stickers, and the unhinged immigration/antivax rants in the comment section of just about every newspaper article ever.
They’re such shrinking violets.
Worth noting that the evidence for this, to the extent it exists, is studies where liberals answer that conservatives, for example, oppose abortion because they want to control women rather than because they just care so much about babies.
They hate the idea that some of us very intentionally pried ourselves out of the conservative bubble BECAUSE we were exposed to the REST OF THE WORLD. Troglodytes cannot see beyond their holes.
100% spot on. My family and I grew up in Utah and as minorities, saw what "family values" meant if you weren't Mormon or white. Big reason why lots of us went to more liberal places and why many of my Asian friends moved to other states.
Conservatives never try to understand the rest of us. There are no Duane Reed safaris, Ben Shapiro isn't visiting campuses to sincerely understand why young people are rejecting them. It's so disingenuous.
I truly believe it's the other way around. Liberals have learned to tolerate and live with diverse people with diverse opinions. In my experience, it's conservatives who haven't been exposed to much outside of their beliefs.
Yeah I would be delighted to be in some kind of bubble where I wasn’t constantly being exposed to Fuck Joe Biden bumper stickers and hearing people causally say racist and homophobic shit amid unrelated conversations but I’m not, nor is almost anyone else.
I grew up in a very conservative area and then deliberately whiplashed myself to Berkeley for college and let me tell you, that conservative bubble is so fucking thick because the people inside it have the thinnest skins imaginable. The bubble is protective. They need it to survive.
There was a former theater prof in NC I tangled with about this many years ago. He was lamenting how stereotyped and "bullied" his rural white kids were. I asked him how he thought it compared to what Black kids face. Of course he dissembled. He knew liberal "bullying" didn't involve physical harm.
Their putrid stink washes over us every single day. It's their own fault so many of us find it repugnant. Maybe they shouldn't have such horrifying ideas in the first place.
I grew up with Republican parents, grew up in the south, not super right-wing (at least not till late in life), but education, history, the arts are important growing up, and they raised 4 very liberal children.
It's like when people from smaller towns in red states act as if people in cities have no clue what life outside the coastal metropolis is like. Why the hell do you think we moved here?
I'd say about 90% of the liberals I know were raised by conservative shithole values, which is specifically what radicalized them into being loving, accepting, all-inclusive flaming activists. The other 10% are kids those liberals raised, who stay liberal because their childhoods were inclusive.
Also note that their concern is not for the allegedly embubbled lib kids. Their concern is that their owns kids' bubbles must be given equal shrift to the alleged lib bubbles.
Conservatives *LOVE* a captive audience who are either too polite or are otherwise duty bound to tell them to shut the hell up. (thanksgiving dinner, service industry cashiers/clerks, public servants who can’t argue back, children, etc…)
Well my dad was a conservative, so I grew up around that. He would watch Fox News and tune into the Rush Limbaugh radio show. Well, I’m quite Progressive. If a conservative is polite to me and wants to share their views in a polite manner, I’m open minded to that.
The exposure a lot of liberals get to "conservative ideas" is watching bullies kick the ass of the gay kid in their class, which is honestly a much better summation of conservative ideology than reading the national review or whatever is.
Conservatives live in by far the most completely isolated information bubble. It's how they can believe in the existence of enormous welfare programs exclusively benefiting minorities and immigrants in defiance of the reality of the material world. This is of course just one small example.
I grew up in a progressive city with progressive parents and attended progressive schools and a progressive church. Conservative viewpoints are so coddled and promoted by the culture that despite all this, I already knew everything about conservatism by high school graduation.
Yeah. It's quite similar to Christians who assume I'm an atheist because I somehow made it to adulthood in the western world without ever hearing about Jesus. MF I went to church every Sunday til I was 18. I am aware of what the Bible says. I have heard your arguments & they're still not convincing.
I had some ham radio guy at the race out here last week start yelling at me when I disagreed with him on his dumb bullshit. I told him to stfu. Facts don't care about their dumb feelings. Those ppl live in the bubble that is for sure.
1st time voting was a primary. Old geezer at the Grange Hall gave my Republican parents shit for "letting" me be a Democrat. Like none of us who grew up rural & surrounded by conservatism didn't break out 1st fucking chance.
both my parents are conservative. i was raised in a Reagan/Bush house. wasn't until after college/leaving the small town & met people who didn't look like me that my views changed.
It isn't mean to be a discription of reality, but a way of leaning on centrists country club types who own and edit media, and it almost always works. Which makes for a perfect system of deniability to gaslight the people who buy that media. Nobody in the equation really believes it.
It’s probably more accurate to say that liberals grow up amongst conservative bullies (I certainly did, even in the “liberal bubble” of Charlottesville) and then flee to more tolerant places as soon as is practical.
I figure College Republicans probably polarize college students into becoming MORE liberal or progressive on net, since they tend to select for the weirdest and most hateful, and then make it their mission to annoy everybody else.
They're the least silent group imaginable!
Grew up in the south, surrounded by conservative people. Even the “hippies” in my family were racist. I realized before age 12 that the way we treated black people was wrong and unfair, and like Molly Ivins said, once you realize they’re lying about race, you realize they’re lying about everything.
I grew up in rural South Alabama and was at my church three nights a week and found out that not the Infantry or even Special Operations could make me man enough to keep dick out of my mouth. I know a few conservatives.
We can’t help but be familiar with every one of their ideas because they’re constantly shouted at us from the rooftops. Theyre bad ideas! We hate them!
The conservatives that elite-pundit class guys think we need to listen to (intelligent, erudite, educated conservative writers who aren't bigoted and just happen to be right of center) DO NOT FUCKING EXIST.
There’s some shitheel writer who works for a conservative think tank in the area who writes at least once a month about a lack of “intellectual diversity.” Meaning nobody wants to listen to his bullshit about DEI. But he’s correct, there’s little mainstream coverage of ideas to the left of Reagan.
Yep those of us that got out were clearly "brainwashed" by our liberal professors. Compared to those that stayed in and only went to the right christian colleges. Challenging what you've been indoctrinated in from birth=brainwashing.
This is so true. I grew up in Utah and came from a very progressive family, and just participating in class and trying to challenge the conservative religious slant was exhausting. There was a bubble, but it wasn't leftist.
Conservatives want liberals to listen to them for one simple reason: Other conservatives don't want to.
The thing both left and right have most strongly in common is exhaustion with everyday rightists.
we were exposed.
Jim Crow, the death of the ERA, the murder of MLK & JFk. The COVID death toll. The Tulsa Massacre. Rosewood. Urban Cancer clusters. Anti-Voting rights. Anti Affirmative Action. Anti-Body autonomy. Anti environment.
I could fill 10 bibles with my exposure to their shit "beliefs."
I was exposed to them but I rejected because they were so hateful and ignorant. and that was back before conservatives became insane morons. they were just racist assholes back then.
They also think that it must be "indoctrination" when their conservative bubble kids go off to college and dump their conservative indoctrination growing up, when it's really just meeting lots of other people and seeing all that conservative indoctrination about them was full of shit.
I mean, I grew up Jewish in a small central Florida town, so literally the opposite of a bubble. I grew up in their bubble, and it radicalized me, essentially. Being exposed to their ideas radicalized me against them. So, yeah. Thanks for the exposure, assholes! When someone shows you who they are..
low-info dyed-in-the-wool Republican acquaintance heard me start up a leftist rant and interrupted with "what about all the stuff that's worth learning from conservatives?" and I swear to god he had never heard "such as?"
if only liberals could get red-faced bigoted right wingers screaming in their faces for even more hours a day, this would help those crazy liberals to understand that the screaming bigots are correct
"You've never been exposed to the conservative intellectual perspective." Nah man I've been on a train and heard the mentally ill guy ranting about "dirty foreigners" and the "vaccines control your minds" shtick I basically have a master's degree from Prager U.
It’s so true. The nature and premise of university culture, which I grew up in, is that you’re exposed to different ideas. It is, baseline, “liberal” for sure, but I knew plenty of right-wing kids, libertarian profs etc. I don’t think small-town Christian Nationalists can say the same.
and then conservatives meet one person with announced pronouns and freak out as if they have never met a person who has done that before (and they may not have, because conservative live in their own bubbles, and people who are "different" know to avoid them)
What conservatives can’t grasp is how so many of their kids, who endured childhoods of explicit indoctrination in conservative families, conservative schools, and conservative religious orgs find their own, different path as adults, so conservatives assume that libs must have out-indoctrinated them.
I'm on Twitter. I do not lack for conservative ideas. I also remember being forced to go to church as a little kid, and our pastor being racist, remember thinking, I'm getting away from these people just as soon as I can. And I did.
I grew up in a red area of a red state, surrounded by conservative "ideas" at all times and all it did was make me realize that these are cruel, hateful people.
What conservatives know and fear most is that many liberals (🙋♀️) grew up in religious, conservative communities, and the instant they escape to somewhere with broader, more accepting viewpoints, never look back.
So many of these campus screeds simply litany of blame for why their kids never visit.
Conservatives assume that the correctness of their ideology is so self-evident that the only way one wouldn't be a conservative is if they grew up in a bubble. Righties are literally surprised every time someone disagrees with them.
I've always found it funny that, in my experience, it's the kids who move away for college, and while there get exposed to a whole assortment of cultures, backgrounds, and viewpoints who become liberal while it's the ones who've never left our town of 2000 that say liberals live in a bubble.
This meta study suggests that we don't live in echo chambers and they don't increase polarization but /too much/ exposure to adverse views increases polarization.
It's the exact opposite- liberal families try and raise their kids, no matter how flawedly, to think critically and examine the variety of beliefs. Conservatives make it clear even trivial deviations from their parents' ideology is the deepest betrayal and try to isolate them from difference.
A lot of it is the steadfast conservative belief that they should be deferred to in all things, and if that's not the case it must mean that there is something wrong with those who disagree.
I think a lot about this 2020 article about Evangelical Trump supporters explicitly saying they support Trump because they want to remain in their tiny Christian fundie bubble, shielded from encountering any other perspectives, and force their kids to stay in it too: www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/u...
everyday Americans go to their jobs and are exposed to conservative ideas and spend 8 hours living in a hard right wing version of reality where they have no say in anything.
Oh yeah, I was already left leaning in high school, but growing up in the age of Morton Downey Jr. and the band of boys in our politics class forming a political party with a platform that included rounding up the homosexuals, putting them on an island, and nuking it til they glow pushed me further.
They’ve been exposed to them and discarded them, but since conservatism’s whole grift is that everyone secretly knows conservatives are right, they must have been exposed wrong.
Absolutely. Conservative ideas are some of the most overexposed views in the country. I don’t know anyone who is even slightly politically engaged that doesn’t know every conservative position on basically any issue one can think of
it’s the complete opposite, which is remarkable given tv, news, music, whatever, largely covers lib areas. but libs will visit and read about and try to understand conservative areas
My relatives have gotten better about not saying this stuff around me, but you never know when one might suddenly go off on an antisemitic rant, or start talking about chemtrails 🙄
If anything, in this situation (in my very personal, lengthy experience), the pressure of conservatism and the abuses it enables intensify the propensity to embrace a more expansive, inclusive philosophy, just a really strong feeling of needing to protect self & others from that threat.
It's a real, "have you heard of the lord...?" situation. Like yeah, dude, every fuckin' day, and I'd love to not hear about him for a little while if you don't mind.
I grew up in the Land of Steady Habits. My high school was George H.W. Bush’s final 1988 campaign stop. My classmates ran the gamut from Bush Republican to Kill ‘Em All and Let God Sort Them Out. They grew up only knowing Reagan. I was sufficiently exposed. I’ve never voted for a single Republican.
I grew up in Dundalk during the George W Bush administration, I've had enough "welcome to America, speak English!" and Jeff Dunham "jokes" for one lifetime thanks
That's how conceded their ignorance is. Everyone but them are in a bubble. They lack all self-awareness. They turned being tolerant and empathetic of others bad by making the term "woke" "bad" and then claim the rest of the country, every race, religion, culture and philosophy is in a bubble.
It's more hilarious when you know that kids who go to college and university, i.e. get out of their bubbles, are more likely to be progressive once out of their bubble even if they stated conservative, because getting exposed to diversity humanises the people conservatives demonise.
of anything it’s the complete opposite
I was raised so strongly Republican for the first 18 years of my life, that I had kneejerk emotional reactions to liberal views as a college underclassman
it took a fair bit of growing pains to realize *I* was the one in a bubble from the rest of the world
It's conservatives who live in bubbles! I've helped a year with local food bank and I can already disabuse ppl of their beliefs. We house disabled veterans in apts I can't afford. For families to receive help, they have to be registered with the city... but so many ppl tell me they "know" otherwise.
I think they think that because they probably grew up in conservative communities that were hostile to liberals who kept quiet because they were afraid of vitriol (and these days, threats of violence). I grew up near an army base, so hearing conservative ideas and ideologies isn't foreign to me.
It's projection. Conservatives are exposed exclusively to conservative beliefs growing up which makes them conservative. That's why conservatives are so anti-education. They know educated people won't vote conservative.
If I want to be exposed to conservative ideas I can walk around the corner to the evangelical church run by the white pastor. Meanwhile there are people in deep-red counties who couldn’t find a liberal on one tank of gas
Is whoever said that aware that in places like Alabama, Democrat means black or allies? These conservatives are saying they don't see beyond the white faces they focus on.
Like many conservative Evangelicals, my parents homeschooled me explicitly so they could keep me in a bubble where they controlled the information I had and couldn't get access to alternatives to that worldview
I followed Tomi Lahren and Seth Dillon on Twitter and read Thomas Sowell. I read Fox News. My conclusions from exposure to them is not treating them as the monsters that they are will have a price paid in blood.
Whoever has the gall to assert this should take my pulse and blood pressure while I am watching the news which are teeming with „conservative“ ideas being forced upon me every night.
I was fed a steady stream of George Will bullshit and McLaughlin Group horseshit and Gee That William F Buckley Sure Makes Some Points goatshit my entire young life and all it did was make me way less likely to give "just a conservative" any credit for being barely humane, at all.
Funnily enough I did grow up in a bubble. An ultra conservative evangelical Christian one. Uno reverse babey, that shit radicalized me to the left so hard after I saw how they treated me and my friends and now they wonder why I don't ever want to come home for Christmas.
As always, they are projecting and the reality is the exact reverse. Little homeschooled or private schooled kids learning about the big wide world when they go to college and then deconstructing.
Love to be lectured about living in a "bubble" by the folks whose favorite news network had to pay 3/4 of a billion dollars for lying to their audience.
I spent the majority of my life in conservative bubbles. Being exposed almost exclusively to their ideas did nothing to make me conservative. Most of it actually pushed me away.
I grew up in a rural town in southern Indiana with a population of less than 600. Both were moderate conservatives. They both become Trump supporters and borderline QAnoners. I was exposed to PLENTY of conservative ideas.
What passes for "conservative" now is insane fascist theocratic stupidity.
I used to be an insufferable high school/early college conservative (I have no idea how anybody from high school still talks to me) and my parents will *still* try to use this line of accusation against me!